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post #1 of 15 Old 10-30-2011, 05:09 PM Thread Starter
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we are looking at this horse to buy

we know nothing about showing but our daughter wants to go beyond 4h
to open shows- so we are looking for a horse for her- whats your opionions on this one?

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post #2 of 15 Old 10-30-2011, 08:47 PM
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i don't really show that much in western pleasure but i've watched it a lot.. and the horse's walk and jog look pretty good. The lope looks like it could be slowed down a little bit more and going into it seemed a little odd. Like the horse jerked it's head a lot. But maybe that's just because it's from a walk?
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post #3 of 15 Old 10-30-2011, 09:25 PM
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I believe he'd do fine as an open horse. For a while at the slow trot his left hind and right fore werent hitting to ground together but once he got himself thinking about what he was doing he fixed it. Also didnt like how his head jumped a little getting him from the transition. I think he'd be fine for open shows.
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post #4 of 15 Old 10-30-2011, 11:29 PM
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I'm thinking he's not really cut out for western pleasure as he's really working at maintaining a slow lope. He seems a big long in the hind legs and this could be the root of his difficulites. At times when he jogs he's really popping up in the back end.This can make him front end heavy, just the big lift as he moves into the lope.
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post #5 of 15 Old 10-31-2011, 08:17 AM
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First, the horse seems calm, fairly relaxed, and seems to be giving a good effort to comply.

For a 2007 the horse looks like he is still a bit immature. HE is only 4 years old and seems like he could use some filling out, from the looks of this video I bet he spent his time undersaddle in an arena... He doesn't seem to put much effort into where his feet are as he plods around the arena. I'd put some trail miles on him and teach him that at any moment the gound could slide out from under him (just joking of course). It does teach them to pick themselves up and pay attention, even if you just lunge them outside!

The rider is doing an ok job but isn't really 'showing' this horse off really well. Thats ust my opinion. In parts of the video her body position seems to hinder this horse and throw him even more on his front end that he already is.

This horse seems over bitted. I would like to see him in a snaffle or bosal... I bet he does not stay so slow so easy.

He is going slow but is not collected, he looks all front end which is VERY clear from his lope. His hind end is hardly putting in any effort.

Depending on how tall this horse is, he has long legs and shorter looking back (from what I can see) I bet he would look nicer at this point moving out as a hunter under saddle.

Do you want a prospect? If so this horse could go either way, I would take a look at his breeding. Pedigree is not a sure thing but its a good piece of the puzzel. I would also like to see conformation shots or go look at him.

Do you want finished? Then walk away, he is not!

Also what is the price of the horse?
While nice this could be my deciding factor becuase while I think he could be a nice prospect I would not pay (say) $10,000.00 for him.

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post #6 of 15 Old 11-01-2011, 06:30 PM
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The rider is not doing this horse any favors - and he is not a well finished show horse. He may do okay in open/local shows, but he is not flashy and she is split reining him and he looks over bitted to keep him slow. He is all front end and doesn't engage his hind at all - not a good trait. Not horrible, but desirable in a finished horse. I wouldn't pay over $2,000 for this green horse. He looks like your average horse with 45 days of training under saddle. He may be better in HUS, does well with contact on the bit, that seems to be the only thing keeping him in check, not what you need in the WP circuit. This horse would need a lot of work to be a WP competitor.
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post #7 of 15 Old 11-05-2011, 05:27 PM
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The rider looks about 13 or 14 so I would guess she still has much to work on herself to ride effectively.

As for WP, don't know anything about that, but I would ask myself if you have the following things in order:

1. Is your daughter working with a trainer?
2. Will your kid be the only one schooling the horse?
3. Reviewing the costs, how much? Not that I need to know that but you know your budget.

To be successful in open shows, a young rider with a young horse, a trainer is a must. He looks like a nice little horse that has had some good training so far and he looks excellent for 4. He doesn't bat an eye & there seems to be a lot of commotion going on. The rider looks but the horse doesn't when of camera a horse whinnies, I hear a hose & a girl takes her horse out to longe. So he seems safe enough to start with.
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post #8 of 15 Old 11-07-2011, 11:23 AM
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ive watched my friend ride her WP horses for years when they are at her stable and this horse seems to be really fast in the canter, my friend got hers in a fast canter and he was slower then my horses fast walk... and i was riding a moreison. the rider also bounces alot and it seems the horse has a fast/bouncy trot. i would pass on this horse if you are just starting out in WP and find a really good horse you guys can work with.
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post #9 of 15 Old 11-14-2011, 10:41 PM
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He appears a bit immature physically & still growing. The rider has him over bridled and working off the front end. He appears pretty green. Has a nice willing attitude considering the saddle doesnt appear to fit him. He would be ok for open shows but IMHO he would be a better english mount than western. Nice horse over all tho.

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post #10 of 15 Old 11-14-2011, 11:09 PM
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I am not a WP person....

He looks plenty easy going..but what is with the other horse being lead around the arena?

I like that he seems to be calm but as others have said he works off of his front end which becomes extremely obvious in transitioning from the trot to the lope. I don't think he is over bridled, he appears to want be soft and collecting to the bit but not driving over, which would fix the problem of working on the front rather the hind.

Also note the horse is never asked to stop, he rather "falls out" of his gaits. And when asked to back there is no true collection, rounding, or speed and asked only asked to take one step and the most two. This confirms before that he hasn't been taught to drive over the bridle and use his hind and indicates stiffness. But these are somewhat fixable problems, I guess it really depends on if your daughter has a mentor/trainer to help her and this horse excel.
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