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  • Are 23 western pleasure points good
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    04-23-2011, 12:15 PM
  #11
Trained
Peanut Rolling isn't desirable at all. The poll should be about level with the withers with a nice level neck. As already mentioned, you want rythmn and cadance through your gaits with your horse actually moving forward of his hind. AQHA has a great video (wish I could think of what it's called) which shows the difference between a good example of each gait and a poor one.

As far as the tack, at the local shows just make sure you are clean and well presented. You can show (and win) in s plain saddle with no tooling or silver. Just make sure you clean it and have it properly adjusted. Same goes with your clothing for you. You don't need to go buy everything they have in the latest HobbyHorse. But make sure you are presenting a clean, respectful image to the judges.
     
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    04-23-2011, 03:17 PM
  #12
Showing
1) Do the WP horses in small classes have to do the 'peanut roller' thing they do it high up classes? I am not sure if that is the right word for it too :O

Like SD said, peanut rolling is undesirable and against the rules, regardless of where you're at. A horse with a relaxed, level topline and flat back is what is 'ideal'.

2) What if your horse does not neck rein, can you do it 2 handed? (I am teaching my horse how to neck rein right now).

Most places, horses under 5 are allowed to be in a snaffle and shown with 2 hands. Over 5 requires a curb bit and neck reining. If it is just a small local show, you might need to double check with the association that is putting it on to see what the rules are. They may permit a snaffle and direct rein beyond the age of 5.

3) Do I need super nice saddles with the silver on them for starting out, or will my roping saddle work?

Your roping saddle should work just fine for lower level shows, just make sure that it is clean and well kept (no big ugly torn places or crude repairs that are obvious). You can get a blanket that complements the coloring of your horse and saddle to add a bit of flair if you want to.

4) How low does the horses head have to be?

According to AQHA rules, it is an automatic disqualification if the point of the horse's ears drop below the point of their withers for more than 2 or 3 consecutive strides, so technically, most of the horses you see in lots of shows should be DQ'd. Here is a nice video showing what I think a good WP horse should look and move like.



5) Are there special bits involved in the small horse shows?

Every show will have bits that are against their rules. Chances are, twisted bits are not allowed and anything with an exceptionally high port. I am willing to bet that whatever bit you have been riding in is just fine, whether it's a regular snaffle or a mild curb. Again, you would have to check with the individual rules for the association where you want to show.
     
    04-23-2011, 04:52 PM
  #13
Weanling
Not about head seat for get alll about it do not think about where your horses head is. If your horse has the right conformation for the low head seat and you have him/her colected and on the bit properly for wp ( I say that because collection and on the bit is diffrent in every disaplen) Your hourse will naturaly cary his head wear it should be.
Why I add the conformation part in. Some people belave that we force thier heads down (Peanut Rolling out of the topic yes it was done wonce I personlay have know ideal why, Yes I will ask my good boy to do it if I get a bad jugde and that is what he is placing.) You can not take a Walking hores hows neck comes out of the top of his withers and to the sky to cary his head like my QH. Whos neck comes out horizantal from his withers.
Work on having a very responsive horse. If he dose not go supper slow don't wory make sure he stays at what speed you ask with out speeding up or slowing down. Make sure you can come off the rail and pass graisfully with out changing your speed or lossing your fram. If you can work on these things and do them well you have great chances at the local shows. Remaber wp is about showing a nice quiet pleasent ride.
     
    04-23-2011, 04:57 PM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by raywonk    
Some people belave that we force thier heads down (Peanut Rolling out of the topic yes it was done wonce I personlay have know ideal why, Yes I will ask my good boy to do it if I get a bad jugde and that is what he is placing.)
Why would you force your horses head down just because you got a bad judge that thinks that is what WP is about?

I personally love the video Smrobs posted, those look like happy horses to me. I'd rather see happy horses that are representing WP in a positive light than a placing.
     
    04-23-2011, 05:04 PM
  #15
Weanling
I ask him to put it down more for the juge. Now saying that I have a very broke sesond wp horse maby I should have said that to start. It dose not bother him on bit to hang a little low so we still place. Call it what you want but I can not aford 600 dallors a weekend not to cater to the juges to a point as long as it dose not put me or my horse in danger.
     
    04-23-2011, 05:25 PM
  #16
Foal
How did people ever teach their horses that "peanut roller" anyhow? I don't want to achieve it - I would like to know the techniques used though.
     
    04-23-2011, 05:31 PM
  #17
Weanling
At the stand still I sques my heal under his belly to ask him to collect or round how ever you want to say it. The longer I hold and the longer the rain the lower the head. Then when we move out that is wear his head stays if it comes up I twich the rains. Now he will not do this with out a hug drap rain cause hen he hits contact he comes up a noch and holds. Dose that make sence. Now I have never trained on to go so low so can't tell you that that is just how mine dose it.
     
    04-24-2011, 06:18 PM
  #18
Green Broke
You keep spelling dose and not does...and rein not rain...
     
    04-24-2011, 06:31 PM
  #19
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by misskingraven    
Well, I am new to western pleasure, and I was thinking of doing some small shows later on in the year so I have a couple of questions!

Keep in mind that this is really low level stuff, not anything fancy and high up there
1) Do the WP horses in small classes have to do the 'peanut roller' thing they do it high up classes? I am not sure if that is the right word for it too :O
Actually, The peanut rolling is "out". The rule is to move in a froward motion.
2) What if your horse does not neck rein, can you do it 2 handed? (I am teaching my horse how to neck rein right now)
If your horse is 5 or below you can ride 2 handed with a snaffle
3) Do I need super nice saddles with the silver on them for starting out, or will my roping saddle work?
Nope. A good judge will not fault you for not having "show" tack although show attire should fit show rules I.e. Boots and hats.
4) How low does the horses head have to be?
level with withers, just below or just above is ok
5) Are there special bits involved in the small horse shows?
Most shows follow USET rules. But check your show billet.
     
    04-24-2011, 06:36 PM
  #20
Super Moderator
Sorry. I see you had plenty of responses already! Good luck at the show! Tell us how it go's.
     

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