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post #41 of 51 Old 05-23-2011, 08:04 PM
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I thought those head setter things were used on barrel racers and not made out of cable. If someone wore a device like that in a show ring, wouldn't the judge realize it was because the horse was poorly trained? Man I'm learning so many things. And ledge I trained my first horse to neck rein by crossing the reins, and I still don't know why people quit that. I got the idea working at a Standardbred stable and hobbles used on pacers. It just seems so simple to me, rein pressure on right side pulls left side of head and then 'Oh THAT'S what you want me to do.' It's not harsh, just gives a good solid cue to begin with. I think I had him neck reining well in less than 2 weeks. I have even searched the internet looking for information on teaching reining that way, but all you see now are videos, etc. of 'rubbing' the off side with the rein while plow reining with the other. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with training neck reining that way but it seems to me it takes the poor horse a long time to figure out what you want. With crossed reins, you use more even pressure every time especially for those of us that don't have the steadiest of hands. I use a lot of natural horsemanship things with Sienna, which was unheard of then, and I think a lot of it is great. But why work with a horse for 3 months to teach neck reining when most horses can pick it up that way in a few days?
I showed WP as a teen and want to start again with Sienna, but just shows held at the barn where she is, not trying for a world championship, LOL. But I trained my own horse then too with the help of the stable manager. it's not as easy as it looks, and it's really not hard I guess. I used the same horse all summer and although she was really too 'free' a mover to make a good WP horse since peanut rollers had just come in vogue, we always did well. I can still remember one time i couldn't get her on the right lead no matter what I did. I'd tip her head a little toward the rail to start the canter which automatically put the right leg a little more forward. After all summer, this one day she just started on the wrong lead. Over and over. I must have stopped her 5 times and started her again, but the same thing. never happened again. I just laughed. I mean what are you going to do? Horses have off days.
There was some wild and crazy things that went on then though. Things I wouldn't want to see brought back, drugging high strung horses, and a lot of people using harsh training methods. But this cable thing, that's no better than drugging them.
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post #42 of 51 Old 05-23-2011, 11:23 PM
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Morab, I believe that those headsetter things are used more during training and then removed for competition.

As for the crossing of the reins to teach neck reining, I have never done that. I just don't like the idea of not having any direct control of the horse's head in any way. If a horse freaks out and you have your reins crossed, it's not like you can just reach down and take their head to one side for a one-rein stop like you can if you have the reins like they should be. Not to mention the fact that I don't put enough pressure on the reins when I neck rein to effect the bit at all. I like them to respond to the brush of the rein on their neck, not the pressure.

If it's done right, neck reining can be taught (to the point where it's decent, not perfect) in just a couple of rides the way you see in the videos.
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post #43 of 51 Old 05-23-2011, 11:36 PM
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I've seen neck reining taught with crossed reins but have never tried it for the reasons smrobs stated. Also, having ridden horses trained that way, I prefer to do it one of the more common ways.
Those headsetters aren't legal to show in. You can use them for timed events, but not show classes. I can't see the use of them as a training aid for rail classes.
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post #44 of 51 Old 05-23-2011, 11:54 PM
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Well when I was doing the crossed rein thing, I didn't worry about having to use a one rein stop. We're talking years ago and there was no such thing as stopping that way, LOL. As for not having control, I plan to try to train Sienna's neck reining to be more sensitive because some one did a 1/2 way job on her, and I'll be doing it in an arena, just to give her an idea of what I'm asking and trying to make it successful for her as quickly as possible. Just a couple days of brush up, and she needs some arena work anyway after mostly having the winter off because it was harsh. It doesn't prevent you from using a regular stop and I can't think of any time in an arena I had to use a one rein stop (of course I'm sure she'll prove me wrong, LOL) I always do 'hips over, backing, and front pivoting before I ever tighten the saddle along with flexing her. Just so she's in the mind set to work. I'll let you guys know how it works out. Cheryl
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post #45 of 51 Old 05-24-2011, 05:39 PM
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Yeah I think they were reiningfan. I just typed in horse cable halter on google to see if I could find it.

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
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post #46 of 51 Old 05-24-2011, 05:58 PM
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I was confused on that too reiningfan. I don't think Sienna would ever relax if she was 'tied down.' She does great on a loose rein, and I did some work with her this winter on not trying to jerk the reins or go through the bit. My disability is anxiety related and I tighten up without even knowing it at times, and like I said earlier in a post, don't have the softest hands in the world sometimes. Her previous owners were even worse, but intentionally thinking the harsher they were the better she'd behave. I tacked her all up a couple times this winter even though it was too bad to ride, and looped the tied reins over the saddle horn. She had plenty of room with no pull. I led her on the roads and when she jerked she corrected herself. After a couple different times of doing that she was carrying her head in a nice, relaxed position. Now I have a bosal but will use a full cheek snaffle for a couple of days to practice the reining then I hope I can move into the bosal which will ease my mind about tightening the reins unintentionally. But she doesn't like having her head 'contained' if that's the word I'm looking for. I had to teach her to stand at cross ties, she fought them at first because they of course restricted her head motion. She's really a sweet horse, like when I say fought them, she got her head under one of the ties, etc. but never tried to do anything to me. I hope to get to go tomorrow and maybe get some time in the inside arena because of all the rain we've had, and supposed to rain again tomorrow afternoon. I guess I'll see how she does
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post #47 of 51 Old 07-10-2011, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by misskingraven View Post
Well, I am new to western pleasure, and I was thinking of doing some small shows later on in the year so I have a couple of questions!
1) Do the WP horses in small classes have to do the 'peanut roller' thing they do it high up classes? I am not sure if that is the right word for it too :O
2) What if your horse does not neck rein, can you do it 2 handed? (I am teaching my horse how to neck rein right now)
3) Do I need super nice saddles with the silver on them for starting out, or will my roping saddle work?
4) How low does the horses head have to be?
5) Are there special bits involved in the small horse shows?

Keep in mind that this is really low level stuff, not anything fancy and high up there

1- the 'peanut roller' look is out, you would probably get DQed if you were that slow and low now. judges want a more natural movement now, and it is totally fine to go slightly faster when you are still training your horse and just starting out.
2- you will have to check the rules at your show, at breed level shows, only 'junior horses' can 2-hand in a snaffle so that would be a horse 5 or younger.
3- for just starting out local shows, no you don't need the huge silver stuff, if you move up, it would look nicer, but it is still not required.
4- your head should be even with the withers or just slightly below it, a judge can knock you a ton of points in a class if your head is to low
5- i use a curb bit even at small show, but use the bit that your horse rides the best in as long as its legal at the show you are going to.


also- i totally agree, i hat when people bash the sport cause they have a ton of misconceptions and stereotypes but they don't actually know anything about what we do!
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post #48 of 51 Old 07-10-2011, 04:57 PM
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also, people keep saying that you have to ride in a curb bit after 5 years old, that is FALSE! you have to ride in a shank bit, whether its a curb or not
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^ ANY bit with shanks IS a curb bit. The mouthpiecehas nothing to do with it.

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post #50 of 51 Old 07-11-2011, 07:27 PM
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^^ You're thinking of a port, I assume. Wild_Spot is correct. If it has shanks, regardless of what type of mouthpiece it has, it's a curb.
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