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post #101 of 132 Old 06-26-2010, 08:43 PM
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omigosh. I just want to walk in the room and fart right now. Enjoy your self appointed superiority girls.
You are my friggin' hero....and I agree 100%.

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post #102 of 132 Old 06-26-2010, 08:53 PM
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Well, sorry that you feel that way but as far as I am concerned, no one here feels they are far superior to another, in any manner what-so-ever.

We are discussing "True Collection" regardless if it is on a Mule, a Draft X, a WB, a Donkey, a WP horse, a Stick Horse or a TB - Collection is physics, no way around it - regardless of what discipline you are doing, whether it is in an english saddle or an aussie saddle, bareback or western.

Either you have it, or you don't.

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post #103 of 132 Old 06-26-2010, 09:27 PM
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Collection is collection is collection - doesn't matter what saddle (or lack thereof) you have.


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post #104 of 132 Old 06-26-2010, 09:38 PM
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post #105 of 132 Old 06-26-2010, 09:57 PM
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Where I'm from my little Morgan wins WP all the time, he has a great advantage in the collection area though, he isn't built down hill like most QH's. The fact remains, if a WP horse is trained with collection then they can do anything, if not they will only ever do WP, maybe trail. Most WP horses are horrible for anything other then WP, you can't rein with them, or jump them, or do dressage with them. They just don't have the carriage to perform anything else. That being said, there are some WP horses that do reach collection and they are truly great horses that can do almost anything.
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post #106 of 132 Old 06-26-2010, 10:00 PM
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post #107 of 132 Old 06-27-2010, 12:18 AM
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Any time, I really have to think about replying to threads like this. They can get kind of heated. I have worked with QH's (foundation bread) in the past and I have to say I had a VERY hard time getting any of them to collect. Confermationally it is hard for them because they are built so down hill. All of their weight is on the forehand and it is really hard for them to sit back.

I origionally trained with a top reining trainer in my area. All of her horses started out WP and none of them where ever taught to peanut roll or 4 beat or whatever the horses are doing in some of the vids posted. It would have defeted the purpose of their training completely. Now that I'm training on my own I focus on the western performance classes, including WP. I was always taught that WP is one of the hardest disaplines to train for (this said by the reining trainer who also did jumping and dressage). The reason it is hard to train is because you start young horses to it and expect them to keep a consistant gait when there are other horses in the ring that are either coming up their butt or passing them. It is very hard for a horse to understand that they are not allowed to "race" the other horse. That is the only reason it is hard to train, because you are going against their nature.

People often cut corners in WP in regards to collection and the nature of movement asked for. The main reason that I've seen for this is because you are working with young horses (WP starts at 2yrs old) that need to learn, not only how to move, but to move in a group, and to move very slowly. This is very time intensive and hard to accomplish for show season the first year. After the first or second year of showing by the trainer the horse is then sold, usually to people that don't know how to train or improve their horses.

Anyway, that's just what I've seen over the years.
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post #108 of 132 Old 06-27-2010, 11:25 AM
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omigosh. I just want to walk in the room and fart right now. Enjoy your self appointed superiority girls.

You are my friggin' hero....and I agree 100%.
I logged on this morning looking forward to reading this thread and asking Spyder some follow up questions, and this is what I find.

This post, from a moderator (!) and the support for it, make me very sad.

I thought this thread was a great conversation.

I am not "superior", self-appointed or othewise.... I listed my extremely modest qualifications earlier in this thread, and refuted JDI's refering to me as an expert. What constitutes "self-appointed superiority?" Having read books on riding theory? Enjoying discussing it?

If you enjoy just getting on your horse and riding it, without giving it a lot of thought, that's cool. That's what I do 9 times out of 10. If you don't enjoy reading about and discussing theory, that's cool too. And if you love your discipline and can't imagine ever wanting to work or ride outside it, so you don't really care about learning about others, that's cool too. You probably aren't all that interested in threads like this one.

But isn't the point of having a multi-discipline forum having conversations like this? And getting input from people like Silvera and Spyder? (I agree, MIE, input from people like Allison Finch and Anabel would have been awesome, too.)

Having a moderator come in and name call and insult participants sure has a chilling effect on the conversation. Does that mean conversations like this one aren't welcome on this board?
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I logged on this morning looking forward to reading this thread and asking Spyder some follow up questions, and this is what I find.
Heck just start another thread in the English section.
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post #110 of 132 Old 06-27-2010, 02:25 PM
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I logged on this morning looking forward to reading this thread and asking Spyder some follow up questions, and this is what I find.

This post, from a moderator (!) and the support for it, make me very sad.

I thought this thread was a great conversation.

I am not "superior", self-appointed or othewise.... I listed my extremely modest qualifications earlier in this thread, and refuted JDI's refering to me as an expert. What constitutes "self-appointed superiority?" Having read books on riding theory? Enjoying discussing it?

If you enjoy just getting on your horse and riding it, without giving it a lot of thought, that's cool. That's what I do 9 times out of 10. If you don't enjoy reading about and discussing theory, that's cool too. And if you love your discipline and can't imagine ever wanting to work or ride outside it, so you don't really care about learning about others, that's cool too. You probably aren't all that interested in threads like this one.

But isn't the point of having a multi-discipline forum having conversations like this? And getting input from people like Silvera and Spyder? (I agree, MIE, input from people like Allison Finch and Anabel would have been awesome, too.)

Having a moderator come in and name call and insult participants sure has a chilling effect on the conversation. Does that mean conversations like this one aren't welcome on this board?
There is a certain "clique" that comes along in many, many threads, they shut down anyone that has a different opinion then they do. They start throwing compliments around to each other and patting each others backs while slamming other folks and their disciplines. I came to this forum to learn. It was a much different environement when people weren't so quick to judge. That comment was not directed at you, Anabel isn't even in this thread, it wasn't directed at Spyder. I was most probably out of line to make the comment. Report the post and let other mods discipline me. I'm not above anyone else on the forum.

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