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Why is this desired in western pleasure?

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  • Examples of bad western pleasure

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    09-30-2012, 11:00 AM
  #111
Yearling
Many long years ago I was at an open show but it had several big time show people there. It was a few weeks before a few bigger shows so a "practice" arena for most of us to get the bugs out. Anyway, I walked behind the barn at one time and there were some Quarter horse people there literally draining blood from one of their horses. I was appalled and I guess in shock. It was these very people that judges us (the saddlebred people) saying we were cruel for having horses with pads on or using developers.

It was that and many other horrifying experiences that molded my feelings on Western Pleasure horses. I have had a very bad taste in my mouth (so to speak) about Western classes since then.

It is posts by people like Oh Vair Oh that helps me to see the good in the "other side" of things. I appreciate her open, honest, not defensive approach to teaching what there is to love about Western Pleasure. The video's that you posted of Jamie Novak were great. I love seeing what goes into it from a "good trainers" standpoint. Seeing the last video of the guy with the horse that appeared to move so crippled it could barely stay upright, is what I have seen first hand all too often. I also find it refreshing that someone who loves the sport or discipline also finds fault in the things that I have seen as bad about it.

I can now look at it with more of an open mind and know to look for the "good trainers" and appreciate their efforts to do right by their horses. Now, I always knew that those existed as well. Let's face it, there wouldn't be that many people in it if it was all cruel hands and spurs. People that love their horses as much as I love mine also like to ride Western Pleasure. It can't all be bad.

I am not yet to the point of wanting to ride like that. Other then the outfits which I LOVE. I think at this point it seems boring to move that slow but I appreciate the work that goes into it. As I get older I have learned to never say never. I might some day want to give Western Pleasure on a Quarter horse or Paint horse a try. Who knows what the future has in store for us.

Thank you Oh Vair Oh and others who have talked openly about the discipline that you love and what goes into training and preparing for it. I would love to hear more of that.
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    09-30-2012, 12:27 PM
  #112
Yearling
^ love this post from this open minded person! I'm an ASB fan myself, even if I ride AQHA WP horses. There's something about the power of a 5 gaited ASB that is thrilling to watch!
     
    09-30-2012, 12:47 PM
  #113
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The only way to ensure that ALL horse disciplines are safe for the future generations is for the people who train, compete and judge to recognise what is good for the sport and what is abuse for the sake of extreme fashion and then remove the latter by standing up against it and helping to expose it. Sometimes that will mean change but if it doesn't happen everyone will eventually suffer
The power of the media supporting the anti's is stronger that you think and every time some one gives them some ammunition for their campaigns the stronger they get
The hunting people in the UK thought it would never be banned (live fox hunting) as it was a centuries old tradition to remove an animal that was classed as vermin but it was.
     
    09-30-2012, 01:23 PM
  #114
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So, far, the only horse in videos here, posted as an example of correct WP movement, that actually does have correct movement, would be the Krymsum one. He still has a two beat trot , with a tiny moment of suspension (not a walk that is in the diagonal pattern of a trot, as almost every other horse does have). His canter still has a moment of suspension, too, and doesn't require him to sling his head up and down too much, nor are his hindquarter all crooked to the inside.

Riding THAT horse would be a pleasure, but count me in the crowd that sees the extreme manipulation of a good horse's natural gait into a slow, crooked and lame looking crawl , as mystifying as to why that would be considered a pleasure. Though it may not be considered abuse, as I doubt it hurts the horse, it is just plain strange. Why would you take something so nice as a good canter and choke it down to a crab-like shuffle?

I know this doesn't please a lot of WP folks, and certainly my opinion makes no difference, but I just have to be honest to say that , I too, dont' see the "pleasure" in WP.
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    09-30-2012, 02:56 PM
  #115
Yearling
I LOVE to go fast, but let me say this. There are times when just a relaxing jog & lope feel just right. Odie has an EXTREMELY smooth canter & lope. But at the canter there's just something that makes it not quite as relaxing. Maybe it's the saddle, maybe not. It's probably all in my head.

I look at it this way, there are days I feel like a dup-de-dup dup-de-dup kinda ride, the there are days I feel like we can go fast enough. Now that J is riding hunt, I find myself somewhat enjoying what it takes to get Odie to hunt again (if you tell anyone that I said I enjoyed riding hunt again, I will hunt you down & paint your horse orange, LOL!)
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    09-30-2012, 02:59 PM
  #116
Yearling
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
So, far, the only horse in videos here, posted as an example of correct WP movement, that actually does have correct movement, would be the Krymsum one. He still has a two beat trot , with a tiny moment of suspension (not a walk that is in the diagonal pattern of a trot, as almost every other horse does have). His canter still has a moment of suspension, too, and doesn't require him to sling his head up and down too much, nor are his hindquarter all crooked to the inside.

Riding THAT horse would be a pleasure, but count me in the crowd that sees the extreme manipulation of a good horse's natural gait into a slow, crooked and lame looking crawl , as mystifying as to why that would be considered a pleasure. Though it may not be considered abuse, as I doubt it hurts the horse, it is just plain strange. Why would you take something so nice as a good canter and choke it down to a crab-like shuffle?

I know this doesn't please a lot of WP folks, and certainly my opinion makes no difference, but I just have to be honest to say that , I too, dont' see the "pleasure" in WP.
That's ok, I see the pleasure in it or I wouldn't do WP. It's the same for me when it comes to high level dressage....the horses all tight, tension and stress in their face, mouth and jaw. Not something I find pleasureable.
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    09-30-2012, 06:58 PM
  #117
Yearling
I guess what it comes down to is what people find a pleasure. I always found a nice light jog and lope a pleasure like the video I posted before. Some others found jumping and dressage a pleasure.

However I don't think I would take up jumping. I might one day with my horse, but nothing too serious. I feel like every time a horse refuses to jump they start beating the poor thing senseless. Of course, not all jumpers are like that. Dressage people will rollkur their horses to no end, again not all do so.

I mean, I just saw a video of a girl beating her horse after he didn't jump for her. She seemed like she was proud of that video too, since she edited it and put it on YouTube. I'm sure the horse doesn't find any pleasure in that. Nor the rollkuring.

Every discipline has its questions, not everybody is going to like them. I have to say, when done right I really enjoy watching Dressage and show jumping. Actually, I kinda like to watch the Cross Country more.

However that isn't my cup of tea. I like to jog around and lope, I find it very relaxing and pleasurable.
     
    10-05-2012, 04:12 PM
  #118
Weanling
I do hope Jessa doesn't answer any of you bullies. Shame on you thinking you are the only ones to have a valid opinion and she can't and is a troll. To bad you are not on the receiving end of what you have written her.
     
    10-05-2012, 04:28 PM
  #119
Green Broke
I wouldnt consider us bullies for defending a discipline we love that was getting trashed??? Inm not starting an argument here.


I personally love the classes they have now for "ranch pleasure" that's how my mare was going in the WP classes lol....we were CONSTANTLY passing the slow moving WP horses....kinda bummed though because they didnt start those until AFTER I retired her haha
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    10-05-2012, 04:31 PM
  #120
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Originally Posted by Eileen    
I do hope Jessa doesn't answer any of you bullies. Shame on you thinking you are the only ones to have a valid opinion and she can't and is a troll. To bad you are not on the receiving end of what you have written her.
Just because someone feels like going to every Dressage thread and posting "Why can't you guys just enjoy riding your horse and stop being cruel and riding them in shows", doesn't mean they should enact on that. That opinion doesn't help or provide any insight.

She thinks WP horses are not pleasureable to ride. I think Dressage horses are too cranked up and cranky, and jumpers are high-strung and crazy to ride. But that doesn't mean I go around bashing everyone for something I don't like and don't understand.
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