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Why is this desired in western pleasure?

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        10-05-2012, 05:35 PM
    Green Broke
    I don't see anybody being a "bully" I see people trying to explain what they put into and get out of riding WP and I see a poster being completely catty and throwing out insults and twisting their words around to the said WP riders.....
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        10-05-2012, 05:35 PM
    Since when is calling someone a troll defending their opinion it is calling names and bullies do that. If you truly enjoy wp you don't need to defend it instead why not share what you like about it and what you and your horse find pleasureable instead of putting down someone you don't know nor know what kind of experiences she has had showing wp.
        10-05-2012, 05:40 PM
    I believe you can only explain something nicely so many times to a person before you just want to bash your head into a wall.

    I believe we did explain everything several times over and she still continues to think what she thinks, so we got snarky because she was being very closed minded and had an empty opinion with no evidence to support the way she believes. It was just "just cause", and that has no point.
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        10-05-2012, 05:42 PM
    Green Broke
    Perception is reality.

    You see people "bullying" a poster...i see a poster being completely catty, not willing to be open to our opinions and insulting NUMEROUS people.

    To each their own.

    Sorry if the word "defend" offends you or makes you see it wrong.

    But what we were Trying to do was explain to the person who said-- "all horses and riders in WP look like they hate life and have given upand arent having any fun"

    ETA- I don't think anybody on here had a problem with somebody having a different opinion or not likeing the discipline. But those that had different opinions came at it in a polite manner...not throwing out insults immediately...they also elaborated on it and why they liked/didnt like it....i think everybody for the most part was being open and had ample opportunity to explain their reasons....not everybody took that opportunity though.
        10-05-2012, 05:51 PM
    Originally Posted by Eileen    
    Since when is calling someone a troll defending their opinion it is calling names and bullies do that. If you truly enjoy wp you don't need to defend it instead why not share what you like about it and what you and your horse find pleasureable instead of putting down someone you don't know nor know what kind of experiences she has had showing wp.
    Ummm....us WP folks DID talk about what we like about WP....so, I don't understand your posts. Maybe you didn't read them all?? I guess it's ok for her to "put down" WP and the people that like it, but it's not ok for use to defend it???? Wow is all I can say....

    And by the way....pretty much ALL of her posts on this forum were about bashing WP, and not just in this thread.
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        10-05-2012, 06:01 PM
    From what I've learned from having kids in 4H and one in judging, the western pleasure classes are just that, a horse that is a pleasure to ride. Our judging coach taught that manners always placed over movement because even tho a horse wasn't the prettiest mover out of the line up, it may have demonstrated a willing and obedient attitude that was bar far the best out of the class and basically this type of horse defined the qualities sought in the perfect western pleasure horse. When you see the 'low and slow' in the WP classes, remember that manners plays a significant part in who will win, not just gait or natural movement ability alone.

    As far as favorite disciplines go, everyone has their favorite and least favorite, just like clothes or candy or hairstyles. To each their own. I enjoyed being a 4H parent of a child in AQHA judging because I actually learned what the heck it was to look for and why some horses I thought should win would actually place third or fourth, so I appreciate the work and effort put in to get a horse to these levels. I too, found it rather boring - I am an endurance rider so it is hard to get me to 'stay in the fence'. But the few years I competed in WP, equitation, western riding and showmanship, I often placed in the top six but it still never won me over. But I can appreciate the effort that goes into it - it's like the opera - you love it or you don't!
        10-05-2012, 06:09 PM
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    My first three years in horses was in dressage... My next... 20ish? Was in hunter/jumper... For the last 8ish, I've been doing western pleasure and AQHA style HUS.

    The dressage was really hard for me because there really is so much that go's into the correct performance and equitation. Starting off as a beginner rider in the dressage world was definitely not a piece of cake for me and there were so many concepts that I hadn't yet learned when I moved from Germany to the US and started riding in a hunt barn.

    That was so neat for me because I already had all the basics and to me, it was a much easier way of riding. It was a local level hunter/jumper school. You can not compare local level hunt to the rated hunt classes or riders. It always cracks me up when people do. I had a lot of fun and my horse really excelled. He was so consistent that he was absolutley untouchable at that level and I really thought I was one heck of a rider. At the local level, I can shine.

    Since I've moved to the breed level I've realized that there is so much that I don't know. The cost of a trainer, which is different that an instructor is really huge compared to what I used to pay... but I've learned so much that I never learned at the lower level.

    Coming into a breed level of showing and training from a hunter/jumper perspective, I do tend to think things are cruel or stupid. I also find myself wondering if people even care about their horses or if they just want to win... But then I realize, that is in every realm.

    I've met people who own horses purely for fun that look at them only as objects. There really is no real attachement. I've seen people who show at the local level that only want to win. The horse itself is just a tool. At the lower levels drug testing is so rare that it's actually insane, the amount of people that will ace a horse just to win a ribbon.... I work with a girl that is in the A-rated circuit who routinely refers to her horse as an "asset".

    I know a women that has a $100k horse that she absolutely adores. She showers it with love and kisses, but it's a winner so it has been trained to perform in such a way that a local level hunter jumper or a "natural" horse person would cringe but you know what? To each his own I geuss.

    At the end of the day, I know that I love my horses. I know that I'm proud of their acheivements and I know that they are well cared for and that's all that matters to me....

    PS - the word troll always makes me think of those naked little dolls with the great big eyes and the orange hair that sticks up in a fuzzy flame....
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        10-05-2012, 06:31 PM
    Really western movies being compared to western PLEASURE there is nothing pleasurable about watching riding skills in western movies!!! Ugh!! I like all disciplines I wish I had a horse finished in them all or 1 horse for each discipline ;) western pleasure is a lovely graceful sport with very athletic horses that believe it or not love their job if trained properly. I have a two year old who loves to carry her head really low we actually had to bring it up! And she loves to go slow. It's all about natural ability.
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        10-05-2012, 11:59 PM
    Originally Posted by Eileen    
    Since when is calling someone a troll defending their opinion it is calling names and bullies do that. If you truly enjoy wp you don't need to defend it instead why not share what you like about it and what you and your horse find pleasureable instead of putting down someone you don't know nor know what kind of experiences she has had showing wp.

    I have not read every post here, but I do believe quite a few member DID share what they found pleasureable about WP. I am reminded to reserve at least part of my judgement until I have ridden a well trained WP horse and felt this pleasure myself. My opinion is based solely on watching, and those folks that shared their defense of this discipline have actually DONE it. Which is the more validly based opinion?

    Please do not throw around accusations of Troll. For an online forum, it's a pretty harsh one.
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        10-06-2012, 12:15 AM
    Green Broke
    This is every bit as bad as what the "big lick" people do with the Walking Horses. Quite possibly worse. At least those horses can move in a straight line. This poor Paint looks like he broke his back.


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