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  • Why do western horses look like cripples now in the show ring

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    10-06-2012, 02:49 AM
  #131
Green Broke
^^^ That is awful, it's jut not good in ANY form or fashion..
     
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    10-06-2012, 02:15 PM
  #132
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That video makes me sad.

I think we should just face is and say that most show horses are exactly that - show horses. They aren't supposed to be practical. They're supposed to look good for the judges. They are bred to be impractical for the sake of looking "pretty". And in some peoples eyes, that's the best thing ever. And to other people, it's stupid.

Many WP horses are bred to be slow from day one. I would never expect a WP bred horse to really do anything but be in the show ring, because it most likely wouldn't last doing ranch work.

IMO, people can hate on barrel horses and rope horses, but I can take a barrel or rope bred horse and put in a long day at a pasture roundup and expect it to be able to withstand that kind of work often.
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    10-06-2012, 03:23 PM
  #133
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These sort of Videos (and the people appearing in them) make me really sad and also angry. If its posted on Youtube then I'm guessing he's proud of what he's doing. The horse looks crippled and the way its mouth is going all the time I'd say getting some pain there too
What is worse is that its this sort of extreme action that gives the WP sport a bad name. I can't say that its my sort of thing because it isnt but I have ridden a few WP horses now that were quite happy to 'pick up' and ride english which says they were ridden into frame and not forced into it.
I don't want people telling me what I should compete in so I wont do that back - as long as cruelty isnt involved
Its really down to competitors in all forms of competition to speak out against this sort of extreme practice - fellow competitors, trainers, owners and especially judges. If this sort of thing is outlawed and condemned then it provides less fuel for the types of people who would have all horse competitions banned.
     
    10-06-2012, 11:47 PM
  #134
Green Broke
Thats not how they should be moving and if he went to any show back home he would promptly get a boot to the a** and get DQ'ed.
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    10-07-2012, 02:51 AM
  #135
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Roperchick    
thats not how they should be moving and if he went to any show back home he would promptly get a boot to the a** and get DQ'ed.

That's very good to hear. That video was shocking.
     
    10-07-2012, 03:04 AM
  #136
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Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
That video makes me sad.

I think we should just face is and say that most show horses are exactly that - show horses. They aren't supposed to be practical. They're supposed to look good for the judges. They are bred to be impractical for the sake of looking "pretty". And in some peoples eyes, that's the best thing ever. And to other people, it's stupid.

Many WP horses are bred to be slow from day one. I would never expect a WP bred horse to really do anything but be in the show ring, because it most likely wouldn't last doing ranch work.

IMO, people can hate on barrel horses and rope horses, but I can take a barrel or rope bred horse and put in a long day at a pasture roundup and expect it to be able to withstand that kind of work often.

? This is kind of a weird blanket statement. I find that most show horses are bred to be incredibly practical - not only great movers, well conformed, and have excellent minds. The definition of what is "impractical" is up to the person who decides it. I can say that barrel horses and rope horses are impractical because I have no idea who would want to ride those hot, crazy messes (being stereotypical).

WP bred horses are wonderful because they start with great minds and great bodies. Several western pleasure horses I have known can be taken anywhere at any time and have no problem with traveling to new places. They make easy-going trail horses and compete in western riding or horsemanship. Sometimes they even make neat little english horses. I've even taken a couple "impractical" western pleasure horses and used them as team penning horses. They worked extremely well because they were very balanced on their hocks and used their core instead of throwing themselves around on the forehand like I see most doing. Plus they were the most solid, calmest horses in the whole cowboy-up complex.

Most people just don't want to risk putting their WP ponies in with "ranch work" because they are considerably expensive.
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    10-07-2012, 03:09 AM
  #137
Yearling
To me it looks like the horse is looking for a place to lay down and die the way it's walking =(
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    10-26-2012, 02:37 PM
  #138
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From an english rider point of view, the only horse that I would actually find a pleasure to ride would be the Krymson horse. I am don't care either way about the low headset, what bothers me is the lack of tracking up at the jog, no suspension at the jog and they are crooked at the lope. Krysom had some suspension and was reasonably straight at the lope and his victory lope was actually covering some ground.
     
    10-27-2012, 09:42 AM
  #139
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by oh vair oh    
? This is kind of a weird blanket statement. I find that most show horses are bred to be incredibly practical - not only great movers, well conformed, and have excellent minds. The definition of what is "impractical" is up to the person who decides it. I can say that barrel horses and rope horses are impractical because I have no idea who would want to ride those hot, crazy messes (being stereotypical).

WP bred horses are wonderful because they start with great minds and great bodies. Several western pleasure horses I have known can be taken anywhere at any time and have no problem with traveling to new places. They make easy-going trail horses and compete in western riding or horsemanship. Sometimes they even make neat little english horses. I've even taken a couple "impractical" western pleasure horses and used them as team penning horses. They worked extremely well because they were very balanced on their hocks and used their core instead of throwing themselves around on the forehand like I see most doing. Plus they were the most solid, calmest horses in the whole cowboy-up complex.

Most people just don't want to risk putting their WP ponies in with "ranch work" because they are considerably expensive.
I've had some regionally successful WP riders and their horses out to my place. The poor horses couldn't function on normal ground with erosion, sagebrush and small rocks. Poor little hoof dragging, rounded-back, messed up shoulders and hindquartered beasts.

Poor things had odd musculature that prevented them from walking at an average speed on flat roads. It was very sad.

WP riders are not allowed on my place for at least 7 years now.

I have, however, bought some low level WP horses and aided them in once again in moving like an average horse. They became fine ranch mounts. It took some work/rehab, but they eventually could move safely and effectively in the world.
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    10-27-2012, 07:48 PM
  #140
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Originally Posted by boots    
I've had some regionally successful WP riders and their horses out to my place. The poor horses couldn't function on normal ground with erosion, sagebrush and small rocks. Poor little hoof dragging, rounded-back, messed up shoulders and hindquartered beasts.

Poor things had odd musculature that prevented them from walking at an average speed on flat roads. It was very sad.

WP riders are not allowed on my place for at least 7 years now.

I have, however, bought some low level WP horses and aided them in once again in moving like an average horse. They became fine ranch mounts. It took some work/rehab, but they eventually could move safely and effectively in the world.

Rounded backs are bad???? LOL. Rounded backs means the horse is using it's body. You WANT a rounded back, not a horse running around with it's back all hollow...hocks trailing out behind. You end up with major body issues with a horse that does that.
     

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