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post #1 of 24 Old 10-12-2011, 02:53 PM Thread Starter
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WP controversy

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On the Internet the American Quarter Horse Association and the National Snaffle Bit Association are mired in controversy regarding lack of enforcement of the rules for Western Pleasure, as well as, for the failure in the education of the judges in the correct presentation of Western Pleasure horses in competition.
The controversy stems from a video posted on You tube of WP horses in warm up at the Reichert Celebration in Iowa, and from a second video posted on Horse Channel TV with AQHA Judge Alex Ross, AQHA/NSBA Judge David Dillin and Dianne Eppers Director NSBA.
The two videos show horses in violation of descriptions contained in the rules regarding the appearance and gaits of the Western Pleasure horse. The irony of the situation is that in the judges video the horses do not meet the requirement of the rules for Western Pleasure horses.

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post #2 of 24 Old 10-12-2011, 03:27 PM
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Care to post links to those videos so that the rest of us can see what the fuss is about?
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post #3 of 24 Old 10-12-2011, 04:12 PM Thread Starter
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http://www.horsechannel.com/western-...e-judging.aspx


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*Sigh* And what exactly is your point? What are you wanting to acheive here? Just stirring the pot? Trying to educate people? I'm just not sure what you are wanting to say here...

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Spirit, I changed logout from FB to the actual link in your post above.

From my understanding (I do NOT do WP though) you are supposed to ride with very loose rein there, so you don't really use your hands anyway. Is that correct?

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Just stirring the pot?

That would be my vote. Either that or trying to sell their own product.

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I'm very confused. A couple of decades ago people used to make fun of the very low headset by saying they rode with wheels on the bottom of the shanks of the bits. Is it low head carraige?
I also see obedient but overbent--is that it?
I ALSO see smacking the horse in the mouth alternating reins. I thought you were supposed to warm up before a class, but not be schooling at the last minute. Is THAT it? =/
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I'm very confused. A couple of decades ago people used to make fun of the very low headset by saying they rode with wheels on the bottom of the shanks of the bits. Is it low head carraige?
I also see obedient but overbent--is that it?
I ALSO see smacking the horse in the mouth alternating reins. I thought you were supposed to warm up before a class, but not be schooling at the last minute. Is THAT it? =/
I wasn't planning to post any responses to this thread as I believe the original intent was to cause hate and discontent.

I ride both english and western in the AQHA realm. What you are seeing is some overbending. As for the "smacking", believe it or not the hands are not harsh. The reins are longer so you see a lot more movemetn when they ask for the horse to give to the bit and because they are in the warm-up ring they are really over asking for everything in hopes that when they enter the show pen the horse will drop it's head and ride flat.

I notice the person creating the video panned around the arena to find the most animated riders in order to really show the "abuse".

Years ago the horses were riding with their noses actually below the knees and today you will occasionaly see one with that type of headset. It's not correct and the judges are not supposed to pin it. Sometimes you'll see a horse that is snaking or canting or doing something that is a fault according to the rule book that will pin higher then the rest of the class. It's not always because the judge thinks that's the best horse, sometimes that's actually the horse with the least amount of bobbles.

Judging is and always has been a victim of politics though.

I'm not going to get involved in a right or wrong argument in this thread.

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Thanks for the clarification. I'm done with the subject, too. =D
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post #10 of 24 Old 12-28-2011, 10:08 PM
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Does it mention anywhere in these videos that these were the horses that won said Western Pleasure classes?

Just because they are there doesn't mean they did well. I've been following AQHA WP since '06, and in these few short years I've seen a gigantic difference in the horses that are winning. They really get better every year.

Looking at the short clips of some of the other horses in the background I see some nice movers. ;)

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