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    03-26-2012, 03:45 PM
  #81
Green Broke
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    03-26-2012, 05:54 PM
  #82
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Most of you's too young to remember but let's not forget " LADY GODIVA " !

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    03-29-2012, 08:39 PM
  #83
Foal
A little off topic, but I just wanted to throw something in that came to mind after reading through this thread.

Being both a recreational rider whose personal horse is solely a trail horse and a competitive "western" (WP, Horsemanship, etc) events riders as well as incredibly active and interested in all types of seats (including dressage, huntseat, saddleseat, etc) this thread was immensely interesting to read over. :)

Now, earlier - someone made a comment about Western Pleasure and how they weren't even going to touch on their style of riding and how the riders look stiff (I can appreciate that many people don't like/understand GOOD pleasure), then the dressage rider was talking about the classical seat and showed a video of a horse and rider doing an airs above the ground movement (can never remember how to spell it!) and briefly touched on how the rider is very much mobile, though he looks still...

Now, I was just curious - am I the only one who has always thought that dressage and western event riders seats are suspiciously similar? :)

Just food for thought.
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    03-30-2012, 04:46 AM
  #84
Started
I always think that there is a lot of similarity between the Spanish way of riding and Western - even down to the design of the tradtional Spanish saddle.

There is also the Doma Vaquera system utilised by the farmers

The Parisian syle developed for riding in the city - all very much focussed on image and 'look at me' - whereas out in the countryside they were more concerned with working from horseback.

Airs above ground were restricted to showmen and only a few carefully selected horses, who could perform the movements.

At the ferias (fairs) it is still the men who 'parade' their stallions and the ladies wear pretty dresses and often ride side saddle.

In Britain the major influence, until quite recently in relative terms, has been the cavalry and the hunt.
     
    03-30-2012, 07:16 AM
  #85
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Jag6201    
A little off topic, but I just wanted to throw something in that came to mind after reading through this thread.

Being both a recreational rider whose personal horse is solely a trail horse and a competitive "western" (WP, Horsemanship, etc) events riders as well as incredibly active and interested in all types of seats (including dressage, huntseat, saddleseat, etc) this thread was immensely interesting to read over. :)

Now, earlier - someone made a comment about Western Pleasure and how they weren't even going to touch on their style of riding and how the riders look stiff (I can appreciate that many people don't like/understand GOOD pleasure), then the dressage rider was talking about the classical seat and showed a video of a horse and rider doing an airs above the ground movement (can never remember how to spell it!) and briefly touched on how the rider is very much mobile, though he looks still...

Now, I was just curious - am I the only one who has always thought that dressage and western event riders seats are suspiciously similar? :)

Just food for thought.
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I will be the first to admit that I don't understand WP. Not the idea of it, but the way the horse is required to carry itself. To me, the dressage rider in your pics looks so much more natural and flowing, because, well, her horse is moving well, lots of 'contained' energy.-
The rider on the WP horse looks (to me) stiff and awkward, because the horse she is on radiates zero energy.-
And this coming from a western rider, btw.
     
    03-30-2012, 10:27 AM
  #86
Trained
When people compete on their horses, it becomes easy for fads or the need to 'stand out' to the judges to replace the basic riding underneath.

Western Pleasure was supposed to show how a person's horse could be fun to ride because of its controlled, relaxed gaits.

My mare could never do WP...she's an excitable, snorting Arabian. But her jog is a great slow trot. Covers the ground faster than a walk, but in a very smooth, floaty manner. When I'm walking her, and she gets a bit nervous, she transitions to an even slower trot. If I'm leading her, she trots with her head at my shoulder as I stroll along. From her back, I'm pretty sure I could drink a cup of coffee while she does it.

In theory, it would be a perfect WP jog - slow, very enjoyable to ride, very comfortable - but her head is up and she may add a few snorts just for effect.

We're working on cantering. Her extended canter is too fast for the space I have to work her, so I'm trying to get her to slow down at a canter. When she does, she actually covers ground quickly, but in a very smooth & collected canter. Her relaxed canter is too fast to win in WP, but in theory it is exactly what a WP rider should want - very comfortable to ride, showy, and just plain fun.

In some ways, she would also be a good fit for dressage. She actively seeks interaction with her rider, and is the only horse I own that likes to be ridden without slack in the reins. But she would never tolerate having her head at the vertical. And there would be a high probability that in any given competition, she would decide part way thru that she needed to get rid of her stress by RUNNING!

I doubt either WP or dressage would approve of a horse bolting, and running 3-4 laps at full speed because life is exciting!

However, the basic riding style of WP & dressage seems very similar to me, possibly because it is meant for a collected horse moving in an arena. It isn't a style meant for covering a lot of ground, or moving along a rocky trail. It isn't meant for roping a steer, or jumping a fence. But in theory, at least, both WP & dressage riders should be having fun riding a collected horse under complete control of the rider - so it makes sense that, if form follows function, the form should be similar.

Of course, I ride neither, so I'm sure those who do compete can find fault with my outside opinion...
     
    03-30-2012, 10:27 AM
  #87
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Skipsfirstspike    
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I will be the first to admit that I don't understand WP. Not the idea of it, but the way the horse is required to carry itself. To me, the dressage rider in your pics looks so much more natural and flowing, because, well, her horse is moving well, lots of 'contained' energy.-
The rider on the WP horse looks (to me) stiff and awkward, because the horse she is on radiates zero energy.-
And this coming from a western rider, btw.
You forgot about the GOOFY peanute roller lope that isnt natural.
     
    03-31-2012, 12:48 AM
  #88
Foal
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Originally Posted by cowboy bowhunter    
You forgot about the GOOFY peanute roller lope that isnt natural.
A piaffe and passage are certainly not natural - nor is jumping a course of 5ft fences. Equestrian sports aren't natural!

Plus, while yes - WP has been in some dark places (but what discipline hasn't?) - it has made some pretty significant strides to improving the sport. Peanut rolling is not only ugly, it is pretty well frowned upon. I would like to say a testament about how WP is NOT just about who goes the slowest. Just a month ago I was at March to the Arch which is a pretty fair sized AQHA show that draws some top name trainers. I was watching the Sr. Western Pleasure class and smiled as one of the riders took the quarter line at the walk and his horse just flew by the other competitors (about 30 in the class). The horse was taking comfortable, natural walk strides that just happen to swing forward a lot. His jog was at the same pace as the other competitors as well as his lope (all gaits which were relaxed and gorgeous to watch). And guess what, he won under 3 judges and got a 2nd under the fourth! I wish I could have video taped it because I was grinning ear to ear.
     

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