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  • Perfect barrel pattern horse conformation
  • Charmayne james horses barefoot

 
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    07-15-2009, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by aruraeclipse    
Hey Mercedes!
How can you tell he's unbalanced, or how do you know he is? I never thought that he was.


Look at his feet. He's got pontoons. Way, way too much toe length, angles too low...they're awful.

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I was reading quite a few sites and books about barrel racing, and they were all professionals and you want to perfect each level, and when the horse starts to anticipate, , and all the trotting, loaping and running will build his stamina. You don't allow the error to happen, that way you can get a perfect barrel run, if you don't do it often and your horse still doesn't know the pattern, he's going to anticipate, and he's not going to fully know the pattern than, so he's not going to know, got to give him a good foundation, because I want him to only know barrels when I set him up for him, get the basics and than season him.
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Knock yourself out. But if you do it the way I suggested, you won't have to "urge, and push him till he starts to do it right".

Horse training is about setting the horse up to succeed. Not setting him up to fail and then having to "urge, and push him till he starts to do it right".
You've got three barrels to get your horse around and a run home. How stupid do you think the horse is? Two, maybe three patterns done at the walk and the horse knows it. If a horse can learn a 6min long intricate dressage test with just a couple of run thrus, I'm sure your horse can figure out the barrel pattern pretty quick. It's why dressage riders don't ride the test until show time. They work on the individual movements and aspects of the test and then work on small segments to perfect the transitions from one movement to the next.

I contend that the reason why people have to run the barrel pattern over and over and over again is because they haven't spent enough time on the individual basic requirements to make a fast, clean run. It's not because the horse needs the practice.
     
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    07-15-2009, 11:17 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by reining girl    
Scamper was charmayne james amazing barrel horse. Type in charmayne james and scamper into google, im sure youll find something. I think he could mkae a barrel horse.
Reining Gril,
Wow looked it up, and I am waiting for her barrel racing book to arrive, I ordered it like a week ago.. I'm pretty excited. I seen the one where the bridal came off her horse, and the horse held the bit in his mouth till the third barrel, but she still took him home and won. Thank you very much reining girl, I think he will to, and maybe not quite as good as charmayne James, Scamper, ol, but I'll see what I can do :) ;). She is an excellent barrel racer, and I'm going to see how she trains horses, and learn off her. She's only a world champion..LOL.

Mercedes,
I was just on here to see what other people thought of his potential, by his conformation for barrel prospect, not for any advice on training, I'll do a proper thread if I need help with his training, I successfully trained horses before, and this isn't the first nor last.
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How stupid do you think the horse is?
I never said that I thought he was stupid and I wouldn't insinuate, I'm not asking for your help, I understand that your trying to give advice but I don't need it here, If I did, I would have Questions, not debating. He is not unballenced, he has a natrually large hoof, he has the natural barefoot trim. I know that he can do it and I have seen him run, and he goes fast, I just have to take what I know, and what he knows and put it together. You want your horse to want to work with you not fight, because when he wants to work with you, than you can succeed. But, I had enough of this kind of talk/debate. Thank you for the healthy talk, and thank you for trying to help, but I will only take help when I need it. Take care.
     
    07-15-2009, 03:47 PM
  #13
Green Broke
Dont listen to all the nasty comments! I think he will be great for barrels! He has a good build for it!
     
    07-15-2009, 03:53 PM
  #14
Trained
He looks well balanced, overall and I think he could do fine with proper training and conditioning. However looking to the second to last photo of him behind the trailer, I do see what Mercedes is saying. My horse is barefoot also, however judging from those photos I would say his hooves need some work. Do you have any photos of him standing on cement or something where his hooves are more visible?
     
    07-15-2009, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jillyann    
Dont listen to all the nasty comments! I think he will be great for barrels! He has a good build for it!
Thank you very much sweetheart, I am the one that witnessed how fast he can go, at the end I'm going to have to be the judge and see how he does. Yet again thank you very much. Do you compete a lot in barrels or other western games? I love the sport it is fun, and daring I find. Take care and yet again thanks Jilyann.
     
    07-15-2009, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
He looks well balanced, overall and I think he could do fine with proper training and conditioning. However looking to the second to last photo of him behind the trailer, I do see what Mercedes is saying. My horse is barefoot also, however judging from those photos I would say his hooves need some work. Do you have any photos of him standing on cement or something where his hooves are more visible?

Hello Spastic Dove,
Thank you for your comment and reply much appreciated, I don't have any on pavement or cement or any level surface for that matter at the moment, that picture was just taken before his trimming a couple weeks ago, I'll try to get some shortly and I'll send to you when I get them, should be within a week or two. He was a neglected horse when I got him, his hooves were way past what they were suppose to be and took a long time to bring them back, but they look alright to me now that they are trimmed. But I will get some shortly. Take care, and thank you for the comments. Much appreciated.
     
    07-15-2009, 06:48 PM
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Green Broke
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Originally Posted by aruraeclipse    
Thank you very much sweetheart, I am the one that witnessed how fast he can go, at the end I'm going to have to be the judge and see how he does. Yet again thank you very much. Do you compete a lot in barrels or other western games? I love the sport it is fun, and daring I find. Take care and yet again thanks Jilyann.

You're welcome!

And yes, me and my mare are ALL about the barrels, poles, key hole, ect.! It is in our blood!
     
    07-17-2009, 11:10 AM
  #18
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Originally Posted by aruraeclipse    
Reining Gril,

Mercedes,
I was just on here to see what other people thought of his potential, by his conformation for barrel prospect, not for any advice on training, I'll do a proper thread if I need help with his training, I successfully trained horses before, and this isn't the first nor last.
That's a complete contradiction. If you've successfully trained horses before, then you should know whether a horse has the conformation or not for the discipline. The two go hand in hand.

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He is not unballenced, he has a natrually large hoof, he has the natural barefoot trim.
I don't care what you call it, his feet are unbalanced and I guarantee if you start running him on those feet done like that, you'll blow him up.
     
    07-17-2009, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercedes    
That's a complete contradiction. If you've successfully trained horses before, then you should know whether a horse has the conformation or not for the discipline. The two go hand in hand.



I don't care what you call it, his feet are unbalanced and I guarantee if you start running him on those feet done like that, you'll blow him up.
not when it was childhood horses and ponies, now i'm about getting better now, not when training for myself or other people. Not everyone is spoiled with registered bred for the sport their interested in, stop bickering, waste of my time.
     
    07-17-2009, 11:17 AM
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I don't have to prove myself to you, who do you think you are to keep doing this all the time, I don't know if you do this to other people, but you wont have many friends if you don't just get a long. But that's not my problem.
     

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