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        03-16-2009, 09:21 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    I agree. Totally. Granted I have run a 3 year old on the pattern. I think you really need to know what your doing. Its risky and I'd,personally, much rather wait until 4 to do it. (owner was pushing for futurities) On the other hand I followed the methods of a local futurity trainer who has had numerous horses go on to be successful NBHA and rodeo horses that are still running 1D at 18-19 soundly and happy. Although her methods had very little to do with the pattern and far more to do with a good broke horse.
    Either way, I agree in that 3 is young and I wouldnt be running mine at 3. For those who do...I sure hope you had your baby x-rayed and approved by a certified vet...as well as know what the horse can handle mentally. Some things just arent worth those 15-16 seconds.
         
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        03-16-2009, 09:21 AM
      #12
    Showing
    Wholeheartedly agree with you Spastic. One of mine I would like to add to the list is the parents that lead the horse into the arena with a 3, 4, or 5 year old aboard and turn the horse loose only to have it run flat out with the poor kid screaming the whole way. It took every ounce of self control I had not to knock this one lady out at a ranch rodeo one night. I still called her a stupid b!&%$ though.
         
        03-16-2009, 09:33 AM
      #13
    Weanling
    Also wanted to add...The only thing that I saw that spastic dove posted as "opinion" was about the age. Everything else is fact. Intensity differs from horse and rider to horse and rider but these things are true. Barrel racing is one of the most intricate sports there is. It demands the knowledge,patience, and control of dressage or reining but at a much faster pace. You think of things in terms of "stride" or "half-stride" but not at a trot or lope, but rather a gallop. Barrel racing isnt for the light weights or the passivists. You have to know how to get in there and ride. If you don't have the ability or knowledge to navigate a dressage pattern, then more than likely your one of the ones who give the rest of us a bad name.
    Im just saying this because I work VERY hard to accomplish a barrel pattern and it frustrates me so much when someone belittles or simplifies years of work into "All you have to do is run really fast around 3 barrels". Greenies DO NOT belong on a barrel horse.
         
        03-16-2009, 11:45 AM
      #14
    Foal
    I agree with the taking it easy when training and practicing your contesting horse. When we practice at home we keep it to a trot/slow canter. It helps to keep the horse calm, and for every show we hit we try to work in a trail ride after. I don't necessarily agree with everything that you've said, I think you need to give the kids a break, the arm flapping is something they will be able to control with practice. Just like the young horse the young rider is also learning. I think that kids need experienced horses to ride, no matter what their discipline is. A green horse and a green rider are a dangerous combination.
         
        03-16-2009, 12:15 PM
      #15
    Trained
    Aside from the fact that I do not think their joints are ready for it, nor are they mentally ready to be running a pattern, horses need to be really broke to run the pattern. There is plenty of things I would rather seea 3 year old doing other than riding a pattern -- Getting down all the basics and getting soft for one.

    I'm sure those gate sour horses start out loving to run the pattern but they get burnt out on it and for some reason the riders can't figure out why. I agree with smrobs too, I can't stand those parents. Barrel racing is just a legitimate a sport as cross-country or dressage and you wouldn't send your kid out on a cc course when they had no idea how to ride.

    There are A LOT of good barrel racers out there. Unfortunately most of what non-rodeoers see are the people I am talking about.
         
        03-16-2009, 12:16 PM
      #16
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Siscokid    
    I don't necessarily agree with everything that you've said, I think you need to give the kids a break, the arm flapping is something they will be able to control with practice.
    I was talking about the people that have been riding forever and have had plenty of time to work it out and think they are "urging the horse forward" or something. It's my general pet peeve with bouncy, floppy, slouchy western riders.
    (Which, btw I am a western rider. I just don't flop. I'm not saying all western riders can't ride)
         
        03-16-2009, 12:18 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BuckOff41570    
    I agree. Totally. Granted I have run a 3 year old on the pattern. I think you really need to know what your doing. Its risky and I'd,personally, much rather wait until 4 to do it. (owner was pushing for futurities) On the other hand I followed the methods of a local futurity trainer who has had numerous horses go on to be successful NBHA and rodeo horses that are still running 1D at 18-19 soundly and happy. Although her methods had very little to do with the pattern and far more to do with a good broke horse.
    Either way, I agree in that 3 is young and I wouldnt be running mine at 3. For those who do...I sure hope you had your baby x-rayed and approved by a certified vet...as well as know what the horse can handle mentally. Some things just arent worth those 15-16 seconds.


    Bandit has the ok from my vet at Oregon State University. I don't run him COMPETITIVELY. I'm just getting him patterned. I won't be using him competitively until the summer after next probably. I'm just getting him started out. I wouldn't dream of competing with him yet. That level is too harsh on his young body.

    I started racing when I was 8 for fun, and have been racing semi-competitively since I was 12. I've ridden some great horses but I've also got on some that I thought for sure were going to kill me. All hyped up, rearing, kicking, throwing their head, etc. I swore to myself if I had a horse, I would never do that to them.

    I don't know what you mean by "mentally" however. Could you enlighten me? Are you talking about temperment? Or respect? Or what?

    Some of you (especially Spastic Dove) may have seen my post a while back in response to a question about what I do to start out a barrel horse. My reply seemed to shock a couple people as I had said that repetition is key and I had mentioned far more reps than others thought necessary. I'm just going by what I have been exposed to and learned from other ladies who have been in the business way longer than I have. Everyone has their own ideas of how to do things. There are many barrel ladies on here that comment on these kind of posts frequently. But I could almost guarantee that if you asked 10 of them the same question you would get 10 different answers. Its all based on personal preference and experience. I agree that green riders should not ride green horses. But who's going to tell them not to? Its a difficult thing to try to control.....
         
        03-16-2009, 12:26 PM
      #18
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by randiekay215    
    I take personal offense to the fact that you say a 3 year old has no business running the pattern. My gelding is just coming 4 in April and he's doing extremely well with it. I've always been around horses started at a younger age. That's just how we do it here I guess. Personally I can't stand the people that say you shouldn't break a horse until they're 5 years old. But that's a whole other topic that doesn't need to be started here.
    I'm just saying that everyone does it differently, and that YOUR opinions/techniques are going to be WAY out in left field compared to somebody else's. Mine included.
    There is a huge difference between working the pattern and RUNNING the pattern. A three year old has years of growth left in their bones. One wrong turn at a run can ruin those green legs forever.

    I agree with Miss Spastic Dove.
         
        03-16-2009, 12:49 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    Dear God, here:

    I DO NOT RUN THE PATTERN. I AM GETTING MY YOUNG HORSE PATTERNED ON THE BARRELS. I AM WORKING THE PATTERN.

    I just said that I am not competing with him. And that he is too young to be running the barrels with. I guess I shouldn't have used the word "running", I agree that was the wrong word to use. But as I just stated, he is too young to be using to compete. I agree with that totally. I would probably be upset if I saw a 3/4 year old competing, definitely. But starting a barrel horse out at 3/4 years old is perfectly fine in MY eyes. And that's what I'm doing here.

    We are working on w/t/c on the pattern. He already collects/extends, moves off the leg, bends/flexes, smooth pivots, great roll backs, etc. He is still perfecting these things but we have gotten a great base on him. He already moves the hind and front independently very well. But I don't know why I'm explaining myself here.


    And FYI in my thread about the bit, I don't run the barrels in the tom thumb. Just a plain old snaffle works great!!
         
        03-16-2009, 12:58 PM
      #20
    mls
    Trained
    Sorry - I can only read what you wrote:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by randiekay215    
    I take personal offense to the fact that you say a 3 year old has no business running the pattern.
    You use the term "running".

    Not trying to make waves - just exploring the facts.
         

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