06-10-2009, 07:42 AM
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Sounds like with the first horse you don't have the control you need on the pattern. Take the horse off the pattern and work on collected circles. Not small, Larger. Get control of that hip and sit on your pockets. Drive the horse up and into the bridle and really get him to rock back onto his hocks.
The second horse... same deal, except get more control of the shoulder. Take him off the pattern and get control. Then when you start back, if you feel him coming off the barrel, just add a little rein and leg and he'll come over into his place.