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        05-06-2013, 08:07 AM
      #11
    Foal
    I checked the bit hanger and it looked fine not tight at all. I do have a trainer and she suggested that we try a different bit for him. We both can't understand why he does not like bits. He was trained western very well. I am just use to riding English so I have a hard time neck reining. He was trained English and western but western he was trained for.
         
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        05-06-2013, 10:20 AM
      #12
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RunningWind    
    I have a horse that hates bits and I can't find one that he likes. Right now I am using a correction bit but, I think it is to harsh on him.
    So this horse is 12. When did you purchase him? Has he done this the whole time you have owned him?

    Why do you have him in a correction bit at the moment?

    Honestly, to me this sounds like you have a TRAINING issue with this horse .... not a bit issue.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RunningWind    
    He flicks his head up and down.
    If he's been properly checked for a pain issue (dentist, chiro, vet, etc), then he has no reason to evade and fight the bit.

    He has a training problem. He has not been trained to accept the bit correctly and/or he has developed bad habits over the years.

    If you say that this horse was trained Western and was doing well with it, then it must be something YOU are doing wrong because the problem has started while you have had him. I don't mean that in a rude or offending sense, but the truth may be the truth.

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    Originally Posted by RunningWind    
    I would use a hackamore but I do shows and they do not allow hackamores in shows unless they are green. I was thinking of one that had rubber on it so it would be softer for him.
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    Originally Posted by RunningWind    
    I don't want something that is to soft because he just doesn't listen and runs away with me.
    Again, sounds like you have a training issue.

    You have him in a correction bit, which is "too harsh", yet he throws his nose, and yet he'll run off with you in a snaffle (or something soft)? This horse has some serious holes in his training, or he's been extremely spoiled.

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    Originally Posted by RunningWind    
    I really need help! Which bit should I use for my horse??????
    Again, this is not a problem with a BIT. This is a problem with the horse's training and how he has been allowed to act.

    I guess I'm confused as to why the trainer you are working with does not know how to fix this. I'd be finding another trainer.....

    To me, this horse needs to be re-taught to respect and accept the bridle, and be soft and responsive. It doesn't matter what bit you put in his mouth; he should respect it all the same. I can try to explain over the internet ..... but somethings are hard to explain in text.
         
        05-06-2013, 10:27 AM
      #13
    Trained
    Someone can have a training issue, and still be looking for a bit that will help them get past the training issue. A lot of training is getting the horse to do the right thing often enough that he realizes the right thing works. And a bit can help with that. Snaffles are not the end all of riding. Nor are they always the right bit for training.

    For the OP: Can you post a video or pictures of your riding? What a horse does with its head can be a result of what is going on with your seat or hands. Been there, done that, more than once. It could be a riding problem, not a bit problem.

    Also, can you post a picture of what bit you are using now, and let folks know what other bits you have tried?
         
        05-14-2013, 12:20 AM
      #14
    Weanling
    I personally love using the basics! Soft bits that let my horse's training do the talking.

    My English snaffle:
    Korsteel French Mouth Eggbutt Snaffle - Eggbutt Snaffles from SmartPak Equine

    (my horse legitimately loves this bit!)

    My Western curb:
    Westen SS Low Port Curb Bit - Statelinetack.com

    Simple, low-port, not-too-long shank. When I ride in this bit, I don't touch his mouth.

    Hope this helps!
         
        05-14-2013, 12:24 AM
      #15
    Weanling
    FYI, happy mouth makes double-jointed snaffles that I've seen used in horses who just don't like metal.

    Happy Mouth Double Jointed Roller Dee - D-Rings from SmartPak Equine
         
        05-14-2013, 08:35 AM
      #16
    Foal
    Thank you all very much! You have helped me a lot. I will tell my trainer all the bits that you shared with me.
         
        05-17-2013, 04:23 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RunningWind    
    Thank you all very much! You have helped me a lot. I will tell my trainer all the bits that you shared with me.
    Would you continue seeing a doctor that couldn't solve your shoulder pain? (for example)

    So why on earth would you continue using a trainer that doesn't know how to help you or your horse, and is actually going to take suggestions from strangers on the internet on what bit to use?

    As I said above, seek the help of a different trainer who can actually help you with your horse. Not all "trainers" are of the same caliber.

    And as I said above, please make sure he sees an equine dentist to ensure he doesn't have a mouth issue.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bsms    
    Someone can have a training issue, and still be looking for a bit that will help them get past the training issue. A lot of training is getting the horse to do the right thing often enough that he realizes the right thing works. And a bit can help with that. Snaffles are not the end all of riding. Nor are they always the right bit for training.
    Never said that a snaffle must be used to re-train a horse. I am a big believer in using the bit that matches the horse. For example: If you have to pull and pull and pull on a horse in a snaffle to get them to stop, that's going to harden their mouth. Versus, going to a shanked bit that gives you a stop immediately with the touch of the reins, which is actually going to be softer on the horse because of the small amount of pressure you apply. "Soft bits" don't always equal a "soft horse". Sometimes you have to use something with a little bite.

    But indeed this horse DOES need re-training (or rider re-training .... it amounts to the same thing). And she sounds awful confused about the correction bit she says she's currently using on him, and that the trainer isn't any less confused. Not a good combination. Time for a new trainer!!
         

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