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post #11 of 21 Old 03-03-2012, 02:27 AM
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Uugh well now of course the presentation that I need to find to get the name of the guy to find the paper went poof!!
Dr. Hilary Clayton has mentioned stuff about heat getting trapped in boots and recommending cold hosing after riding, especially when using SMBs.
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=11087

Here's an article on some guy doing some stuff, it's all unpublished though..
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=16037

I don't want to post weblinks to the articles I have though because they are all accessed through a proxy server... but I will post some cool articles I have found...
Equine Veterinary Journal

Volume 36, Issue 8, pages 769–771, December 2004

Influence of support boots on fetlock joint angle of the forelimb of the horse at walk and trot, Kicker CJ et. Al.

This one basically says that support boots DO reduce the extension of the forelimb, but concludes to say who knows what the long term consequences of this are and that it may impede healing and actually do more harm than good.


Volume 20, Issue 8, August 2000, Pages 503–510
Evaluation of shock attenuation in the forelimb of horses wearing boots and wraps Luhmann, MA et. Al.

The abstract to this one:
High frequency, high amplitude shock waves, believed to contribute to detrimental joint and bone changes, are generated each time the hoof strikes the ground. The purpose of the present study was to compare the shock attenuating capability of athletic support boots and traditional cotton wraps (polo wraps). Accelerometers were attached to the hoof and third metacarpus of five horses. Peak deceleration and asymptotic frequencies were measured at two speeds (3.5 mls, trot, and 6. 0 mls, gallop) under the following conditions: control (no boots or wraps), cotton wraps, and two athletic support boots. Leg supports did not reduce shock in the third metacarpus. In fact, support boots increased the asymptotic frequency measured in the third metacarpus. This result could be explained if the leg supports were acting to stiffen the limb, thereby increasing the spring constant of the leg support-limb system.



And I still can't find the darn presentation!... *angryface*
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I, for one, will ALWAYS take "research" funded by the tested products manufacturors with a definite GRAIN OF SALT.
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45% ffrom hoof impact. That part doesn't sound like it's talking about support at all, sounds more like impact from a horse accidentally kicking itself.
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45% ffrom hoof impact. That part doesn't sound like it's talking about support at all, sounds more like impact from a horse accidentally kicking itself.
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The percentages they are talking about refer to the Energy Absorption Curve (EAC). To get this value, they did tests on the cadaver leg with and without the sport boot on the leg. They tested how much mechanical energy it took to depress the fetlock joint 6.7 cm at a rate of 2.10 cm/s. With a support boot on, it took more energy to depress the fetlock joint. Therefore, they are saying that the sport boot was "absorbing" some of the energy, because they had to apply more mechanical energy to get the fetlock joint to depress 6.7 cm, than they did with a bare cadaver leg.

And this is where between all the testing on the 6 different legs that they have a range of finding from 4.7% EAC to 45% EAC. Of course, they chose to point out the 45% energy absorption because that makes their product sound better than it really is.

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I, for one, will ALWAYS take "research" funded by the tested products manufacturors with a definite GRAIN OF SALT.
^ THANK YOU.

I mean, what are they going to say? "These products are actually not worth the neoprene they're made of but you should spend a good paycheck on them anyway?" NO. They will not always be honest with you because the fact is they want to make money.

Don't get me wrong, I ride with SMBs a lot, but I certainly didn't get my opinion of them from the companies studies. I also ride with the Legacy boots.
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As an update, I called them yesterday to ask for copies of the studies where they were actually used on live horses (since they made claims of horses shifting their weight to the booted leg, etc, as described above). She had no idea of any other studies, nor did she know of the study in 1990 at University of Wisconsin (they talked about printed on the backside of the study I did get).

She was going to pass my message onto the appropriate marketing people and they are going to call me back in a few days.

Somehow, I really do not think I will get a phone call. But we'll see. Interesting to me anyway!

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I think it's very interesting and I liked reading it..It definitely makes you think and consider everything..I do have to say though, that from personal experience I just favor the Elites better than other boots..I've always had great results from them..I also think that Pro Choice has stretched their truths a bit..Just because once or twice you may get that result, it doesn't mean you are going to every time..

Thanks for posting all of it Beau!

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I have been using SMBs boots for a long time (About 15 years). My trainer uses both SMB and Polo Wraps. It will depend on the horse which one he using them on but it really comes down to cost more then support. A well condistioned horse does not need a lot of extra support. However they need the protection and I WILL NOT work a horse with out protection be it SMB boots or Polo Wraps. I personally prefer SMB boots for several reasons one being ease of use and the fact they do not come off they do not pick up water mud and crap like the Polo Wraps are and it is very very hard to put on the SMB boot wrong where it is very easy to do so with Polos.

As the end of the day I do not over care how much support the SMB vs Polos give. What I can about is how much protection they give how fast I can change them out if needed and how easy it is go have a non horse person to put them on with out too much instruction if needed. Which dose happen at times when you are showing or working more then one horse.

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45% ffrom hoof impact. That part doesn't sound like it's talking about support at all, sounds more like impact from a horse accidentally kicking itself.
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This is the big reason I use SMBs. To me the protection is more improtent then the support.

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Agreed, I find SMB's just easier protection as opposed to messing with time consuming polo wraps. Same reason I use shipping boots instead of standing bandages when I haul.

However, on my Arab mare, I found that due to her tendon sheath injuries, when she's not ridden in boots, her legs tended to swell. When ridden in SMB's, her legs remain tight and cool. This is the main reason I use them on her.



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