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    04-11-2009, 05:21 PM
  #11
Yearling
I didn't say star gazing. Pulling a horse's head onto the vertical doesn't create collection, it just looks pretty.

When a horse is relaxed at the poll, his head will fall where it belongs. You don't pull it there.

Also, I doubt bits that do that. Correct training lifts up shoulders, not pain in their mouths/polls/noses.

Edited to ad: 'Give to the bit' is a very big western term that requires a horse to back off of the bit due to pressure. It's almost impossible to teach true contact to a horse that, when it feels pressure, tucks its nose.

Hence all of the horses behind the vertical in western pleasure and breed HUS!
     
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    04-11-2009, 05:37 PM
  #12
Foal
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Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
I didn't say star gazing. Pulling a horse's head onto the vertical doesn't create collection, it just looks pretty.

When a horse is relaxed at the poll, his head will fall where it belongs. You don't pull it there.

Also, I doubt bits that do that. Correct training lifts up shoulders, not pain in their mouths/polls/noses.

Edited to ad: 'Give to the bit' is a very big western term that requires a horse to back off of the bit due to pressure. It's almost impossible to teach true contact to a horse that, when it feels pressure, tucks its nose.

Hence all of the horses behind the vertical in western pleasure and breed HUS!
First off, I know you can't pull a horse into true correction (although it sure looks like that's what dressage riders are doing), but you can encourage them to not pull on the bit.

But, western riders don't WANT to teach contact to their horses. We want to go on a loose rein- not a taut one like english riders.

And YES, there are bits designed to help with lift just as there are bits designed to help with rate, whoa, flexion, and correction.

And I'm pretty sure you cannot say ALL horse are behind the vertical in WP and HUS. My horse is shown APHA and he doesn't have his nose behind the vertical, as none of these horses do:









Need any more examples?????
     
    04-11-2009, 05:48 PM
  #13
Yearling
Lol, I'm well aware of what western riders want--I went to college for it. I show APHA english and western.

And I didn't mean 'every horse is behind the vertical', it read, 'look at all of those horses behind the vertical!' which means it is VERY prevalent in the sport.

Look at the pictures you showed me, the second picture the horse is behind the vertical. 3rd picture, the horse is behind the vertical. It is slight, but if you're going to try to 'prove me wrong', then I suppose you shouldn't grab pictures with horses behind the vertical at all! If at all, you proved my point. These horses are backing off of the bit.

I can show you thousands of examples. Take your sig, for example. Your horse is behind the vertical.

Sure, show me more examples since you're 2-for-2 the first time around!

Bits do not 'do' anything except what the company tells you they do. If you put metal in you're mouth, it's not going to help you collect, or lift your shoulders. It might make a horse 'lighter in the bridle' because it hurts, but that's not the correct way to train a horse. If you can't do it in a snaffle then you have no business with any other bit in that horses mouth.

I love WP and I love breed HUS, but I love them for their ideals, not what the breed shows currently are showing. There needs to be a major revamp to the training of these animals.
     
    04-11-2009, 05:57 PM
  #14
Foal
I'd have to say those horses are pretty on the vertical, they are not tucked up and avoiding the bit, and even if you feel they are behind, there are still two who you feel are not- proving that not ALL horses are behind the vertical, so technically I HAVE proved that statement wrong.

And no, it doesn't read "look at all of those horses behind the vertical!" it says "Hence all of the horses behind the vertical in western pleasure and breed HUS!"

And, I do not have a signature so show me what pic you're talking about....?

Her horse, who is heavy on the bit, could benefit from learning to give and not lean.
She also isn't trying to turn this horse into a pleasure horse; therefore, pleasure training and riding is irrelevant to this topic.
     
    04-11-2009, 06:30 PM
  #15
Yearling
They're behind. And if a horse is behind the vertical at all, it takes muscle to hold it there--meaning it is not relaxed. And avoiding the bit.



Line is where 'on the vertical' would be.



Same again. I'll agree that they are not far behind the vertical, but it is pretty backwards to tell me horses are not behind the vertical and then have 50% of your pictures with horses btv. Also, this happens so often in english where riders are supposed to take up contact. Because they ride the horse to back off the bit, when they take up contact the horse just ducks his head rather then reaching for the bit.

Both also have their ears below their withers. Interesting!

And I never said all of them were

I meant your little picture on the side--that horse is also behind the vertical.

And I know she isn't, which was why I gave advice that had nothing to do with pleasure horses. ;)
     
    04-12-2009, 02:57 AM
  #16
Yearling
Computer had a second format crap.

First Here, which is quite behind the vertical:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

Second is here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink
     
    04-15-2009, 12:53 PM
  #17
Weanling
Gag bit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's a great, educational page on gag bits. Wikepedia also has great pages on the difference between snaffles and curbs too. It's refreshing to see other people on here who know that Tom Thumbs aren't snaffles - they're curbs!
     

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