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        01-25-2013, 08:06 AM
      #21
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 2BigReds    
    It's actually the same one! Lol the SS is confusing on Horse.com since they don't mention the sweet iron, but mine started oxidizing on the mouthpiece and if you look reeeeeeeally closely in person, you can kinda tell where the sweet iron ends and the stainless begins.

    I will say, though, it majorly threw me off guard! I kept staring at it thinking WHY IS STAINLESS STEEL RUSTING THIS BIT IS A LIE!!! Until my trainer knocked some sense into me!
    Oh ok, thanks!

    I thought they looked the same...

    I like rusting, haha.
         
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        01-25-2013, 09:26 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    You should try the Tom Thumb, we use the grazing version where I ride.
    You should read this:
    Tom Thumb Bits
         
        01-25-2013, 11:14 AM
      #23
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LouieThePalomino    
    You should try the Tom Thumb, we use the grazing version where I ride.
    You should read this:
    Tom Thumb Bits
    No. Just no. There are so many nicer bits out there.
         
        01-25-2013, 11:52 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    Still sticking with my choice and seeing how he likes that bit...


    However, just for conversation, most trainers use this bit, or one like it, in my area. This is why a bit like this is what I originally wanted. However I'm going to take everyone's advice and try a solid mouth piece and see how we like it.

         
        01-25-2013, 12:01 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LouieThePalomino    
    You should try the Tom Thumb, we use the grazing version where I ride.
    You should read this:
    Tom Thumb Bits
    Tom Thumbs are the WORST bit ever designed. I would never put on in my horse's mouth. Do some research to see how bad they really are.
         
        01-25-2013, 01:39 PM
      #26
    Green Broke
    I was under the impression that tom thumbs are strait, stationary shanked and a curved shank is not a tom thumb.???
         
        01-25-2013, 06:57 PM
      #27
    Showing
    What LNP posted just above is actually called an "Argentine Snaffle" which is still a misnomer because it isn't a snaffle at all, but that's beside the point LOL.

    Because the shanks are angled on that one, it is better than the TT, but I still am just not a fan of any jointed mouth bit with shanks unless there is some sort of roller or something to stop the nutcracker thing from happening.
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        01-25-2013, 08:29 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Here's something I think can be helpful...let the other folks with more experience say if I'm wrong.

    Get a friend to hold their hand out flat, with the bit resting on it as if it is the horse's tongue. Try to keep it at the same angle that your horse's head normally is at. They can also lightly hold where the bridle attaches. Attach the reins, and then pull at the angle they would be at while riding. Pull one, and pull both. Watch how the bit folds, moves, etc.

    If you have two friends who don't mind your geekiness, let one position the bit in between their two flat hands, simulating the mouth. The second holds where the bridle attaches, and now you pull the reins.

    Try walking along your horse, and seeing how the bit functions as you ask for turns and stops. You can't see inside their mouth, but you can gain some knowledge of how it affects them.

    For today's ride, I switched from this one (as shown in post 17):



    Back to this one, only using the small ring below the big ring:



    It functions more like a normal snaffle, with some poll pressure added. I had stopped using it after a ride because it is more of a squeezing action, and it didn't make sense to me to cue in two opposite directions at once.

    However, I took my mare out of the road using the bit from post 17. When she felt more excited, and didn't want to stop when asked, I pulled back enough to engage the curb strap - and she started flinging her head, nose above her ears and thrashing from side to side. I took her back to the arena and we did some work on "no head thrashing"...which seemed to work, but I decided curb straps and my mare would need a lot more arena time. She had NEVER flung her head upward, and I didn't want her to start.

    She behaved fine on the road today with the elevator bit. If the squeezing action confused her, she hid it well.

    For now, I'll switch back and forth depending on what we're going to do. I'd like Mia to learn to ride with a curb bit, but I may have been pushing her too far beyond what I had prepared her to do.

    I just wanted to share that because A) horses should always have a vote, and B) I think it is up to the rider to TEACH a new bit rather than just assume one will work.
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        01-25-2013, 10:12 PM
      #29
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nvr2many    
    I was under the impression that tom thumbs are strait, stationary shanked and a curved shank is not a tom thumb.???
    A true Tom Thumb DOES have a straight (and short shank) and single jointed mouth, but a slight curve in the shank on the same single jointed mouth, makes it a "cousin" of a Tom Thumb and any relative of a Tom Thumb is not ideal.
         

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