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post #11 of 30 Old 12-15-2009, 12:23 PM
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Trope!!! Nice. Huge controversy in Western. Most judges miss it or overlook it. To get a nice slow lope--not trope--the horse has to be fit as a top and be collected for sure. One of the most physically demanding gaits in the biz-if it is correct.

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post #12 of 30 Old 12-15-2009, 01:19 PM
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Not really. A lope is very different than a canter. My horse canters, and it is no lope, I can assure you. It is not just a western/english difference in terminology like......chestnut and sorrel.

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To the OP...your horse is falling heavy on his forehand. When he is loping correctly, you should feel like you are almost being propelled out of the saddle by his hind end. Your trainer hopefully should see when the horse is on the forehand and have some advice to get him to lift his shoulders and shift his weight back to the hind end. For me, when I ride a horse like this, I imagine that my reins are connected to the horse's shoulders & I will lift my reins above the withers while encouraging the horse to move more forward with my legs. It's not necessarily an increase in speed I'm after, but an increase in energy. If done correctly & consistently, this will prevent your horse from falling on his forehand.

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post #14 of 30 Old 12-15-2009, 05:53 PM Thread Starter
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Ok I he is on the correct lead the problem is that he doesnt have the muscles to keep himself off the forehand. And no he doesnt "trope I have one many classes because he doesnt do that like some WP horses. And I will try the collection exercises from the above posts.

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Not really. A lope is very different than a canter. My horse canters, and it is no lope, I can assure you. It is not just a western/english difference in terminology like......chestnut and sorrel.
Last I checked a canter and a lope have the same footfall patterns...
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I always thought a lope was a slow collected canter. I never looked it up or anything but watching--what I thought--someone lope and canter, that's what it looked like to me.
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I would say that it doesn't sound like a health issue but you may want to do a quick over view and make sure that nothing is wrong. Sometimes the smallest things can throw something off without you even knowing. But like everyone else has said it does sound like a collecting issue. He may be a bite upset with you trying to slow him down, and he might just be trying your patience. I would just re work him with his head set in a walk and trot and kinda start over and make sure that he knows when you ask you mean now not later.
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Yes it is.


From the Merriam Webster dictionary;


Main Entry: 1lope
Pronunciation: \ˈlōp\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English loup, lope leap, probably from Old Norse hlaup; akin to Old English hlēapan to leap — more at leap
Date: 1809
1 : an easy natural gait of a horse resembling a canter
2 : an easy usually bounding gait capable of being sustained for a long time
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I would say that it doesn't sound like a health issue but you may want to do a quick over view and make sure that nothing is wrong. Sometimes the smallest things can throw something off without you even knowing. But like everyone else has said it does sound like a collecting issue. He may be a bite upset with you trying to slow him down, and he might just be trying your patience. I would just re work him with his head set in a walk and trot and kinda start over and make sure that he knows when you ask you mean now not later.
Yes I belive I just have to slow down my training a little I tend to have high expectations. I wonder if I have my cinch a little to tight?

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Okay. Let me set this straight.

A lope is a canter and a canter is a lope.

They are the exact same thing, just as Chestnut and Sorrel or any other vocab that differs from english to western.

It is in fact the exact same thing. If you disagree, tell me a differance.

Let's not tell me "Lope is slower" because I can tell you any english trainer who tells me to "Slow the canter" better have their vocab checked, as with my western trainer who says to "Speed his lope" in my lessons.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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