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post #11 of 19 Old 02-03-2012, 10:08 PM
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I agree with getting some help to learn to ride this horse effectively. With a cue like that, it is so easy to screw it up and end up with some really big problems.

I took a mare in for training that had 30 days under another trainer. Every time she got pissy or stubborn or even just a little bit spooked, she would start running backward and you couldn't stop her. If you used your legs, she would just go faster, if you whopped her on the butt, she would go faster still.

It took quite a few "come to jesus" meetings and her nearly falling on me several times before she finally started to get over it.

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post #12 of 19 Old 02-03-2012, 10:20 PM
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yea some trainers will use backing as punishment or corrective tool... which I disagree with completely its dangerous. I prefer circles but only as a corrective tool, I teach my horses to stand when spooked, it is a life saver!!!

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It could be your legs are a little to far forward. Some western trained horses move back it this happens. Have some check to see that your toes aren't forward of the cinch when you ask for forward. Just play around with foot/leg position and see if one works better than the other. If nothing works just let him back up and back up and back up. He'll quit as it's rather tiring.
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post #14 of 19 Old 02-03-2012, 10:25 PM
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It could be your legs are a little to far forward. Some western trained horses move back it this happens. Have some check to see that your toes aren't forward of the cinch when you ask for forward. Just play around with foot/leg position and see if one works better than the other. If nothing works just let him back up and back up and back up. He'll quit as it's rather tiring.
There should be a straight line from your head to your hip to your heel at all times. I really hope that no one has THAT much of a chair seat!
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post #15 of 19 Old 02-03-2012, 10:30 PM
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Both my horses back when your sitting "deep" and when your feet are forward. I agree though if you start out like this then you need to restructure your form indefinitely.

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post #16 of 19 Old 02-04-2012, 03:14 AM
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The WP TWH I recently purchased would slow noticeably when my feet swung forward. She needed the bit to understand the entire 'Back Up' cue, though. Squeezing her sides and leaning forward into my seat prompted her to move forward (and, Boy -can- she move forward!!) with ease. I've ridden English before - you might be too rigid for the horse to understand what exactly you mean. Relax your legs, put the stirrups lower and squeeze with your thighs instead of with your calves and heels, all while leaning your torso towards the direction you want to be moving....

...if this WP animal was trained in similar natural horsemanship techniques to the animal I've purchased.
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post #17 of 19 Old 02-04-2012, 11:31 AM
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Ha Ha Yep, that is what my trainer said. Yes I do know that she has a "spur stop" but I did not know that constant pressure will make her back w/o any reins at all! What do you think about the "tapping" of legs to get her to move forward. She is a VERY well trained horse and I am thinking this is part of her training as opposed to misbehaving!
If she's spur broke....then yes, applying leg pressure is the cue for back, fanning your legs slightly is forward. When she's moving....squeezing will have her slow down, a slight release of the leg is forward, and a hard steady squeeze is stop. I have a spur broke WP horse and love it.
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post #18 of 19 Old 02-04-2012, 11:33 AM
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Don't get in the habit of "tapping" the horse to make it go forward constantly. The horse just learns to ignore your leg, because you're nagging him. Do your parents ever nag you? You just tune them out, right? Well he'll do the same thing. One strong squeeze should get him moving, and he needs to learn to keep forward impulsion. Carry a dressage whip, and when he stops and starts going backwards, smack him in the butt with the whip! He should move forward after this, and then you release the pressure. Your legs should be like a wet towel wrapped around him, they're there, but they aren't moving unless you're specifically asking him to do something. "Tapping" turns in to fidgeting, and then you become a less effective rider and it is a hard habit to break! :)
This horse is a spur trained horse (with a spur stop) so what you posted does not apply with a horse trained this way.
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post #19 of 19 Old 02-04-2012, 03:46 PM Thread Starter
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Wow, much better today! I tried just a slight squeeze and quick release and sald "walk" and off she went forward this time not backwards
Another quick squeeze and "trot" and off she went. I have been wearing my English spurs and as long as she knows I am wearing them I am fine w/o really using them at all. If I keep the squeeze constant at the halt she will back up, pretty cool
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