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post #11 of 20 Old 03-22-2009, 09:16 AM Thread Starter
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I don't understand why this is such a touchy subject. My comment was not meant to provoke or offend anyone. However, I am an experienced western trail rider and cannot imagine asking a horse to respond to any command in such a manner. That is simply because I do not understand the art! Not because I do not appreciate it. I did not join this form to upset anyone; only to lean and offer my knowledge and limited expertise where requested.

Hope this clears up any misunderstandings.

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post #12 of 20 Old 03-22-2009, 09:21 AM
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I haven't seen anyone offended nor seen where its been a touchy subject? Maybe your looking for something that's just not there?
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BTW as far as how are they trained Buckoff gave some great advice how to find out.
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BuckOff suggested that Jared and/or I were attempting to "start something" - I think that's what he's referring to. There was also a thread recently closed on the subject of peanut rollers, and I think Jared wanted to emphasize that he had no intentions of starting that over again.

ETA: Saw BuckOff's advice - and it's good advice, sure - but we thought maybe someone here could just give us an idea. She's right in saying that we don't want to use the methods ourselves - we don't train WP horses. We just wanted to know a little bit about it, because we found it interesting and different. That's all. I have no need to ask a trainer in a warm-up arena before a show, since I won't be using the methods myself. Just thought someone here could tell us how it gets started. There are tons of threads on natural horsemandship, and how it's done, and a ton of other things - we just thought we'd ask. We were curious.

Also, BuckOff gave a good explanation of how the rider asks the horse for the slow gaits you see in the WP arena, and for that I'm appreciative. Jared's question was just more about the training of the horse than the riding. Is the slow gait something the horse should be able to do before the rider is introduced? Or is it something you ask for only once they're under saddle? Just trying to understand, that's all.

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I'm not into WP myself have freinds and family that are but I'm not familer enough with training them to say. I'm into cutting and reining which is why I mentioned it doesn't always take an immense amount of training for cutting in fact before I stuck a huge amount of training into a cutter I'd try a different horse and use the first one at something else. I see horses advertised all the time that say " has had two years of cutting training " if he ain't got it long before that he ain't going to get it.
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post #16 of 20 Old 03-22-2009, 02:28 PM
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Y'all I didnt mean to offend you in suggesting that you were just tring to start something. Just covering all the bases since it seems like picking on the WP horses has been the big thing lately.

I would say a pleasure horse is started the same way as any other show horse. The finishing is just going to be a little different as far as what you expect from them. Spur stops are popular but you certainly don't need it to for a pleasure horse. You train just for a good, broke, and sensitive horse that doesnt need a lot of handling through the cues.
And as far as cues go...everything is based off of moving off the leg. From there you gain shoulder, hip, and ribcage control.

Here's an example... This was a filly I started in pleasure. As for her speed all I did was teach her that when I lay my calf on her with some rein, she's to collect. (gradually using less and less rein) Unfortunately she started to get lazy with it and you'll see her cadence waver here and there. (meaning she needs to be pushed up into her jog)
You can see some shoulder stuff in here too. Just like I said before...moving off the leg exercises and evolving from there.
Here head carriage was her own doing. I just made sure she was soft in the face and she just settled into a frame that was comfortable for her.

That's pretty much all I have right now.
I suggested going to see that show because its an enlightening experience. I often go to shows to just watch and learn...even with no intention of competing in that dicipline. Its just interesting.
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Thanks. We like going to shows just to go. We love watching all the different disciplines. This question was actually spurred by our attendance at a WP show in Houston on Thursday. I've always known of it, and I'd seen a bit here and there, but I'd never sat down and watched a WP show. It was a very interesting experience. We went to watch the Paint Halter/Showmanship, and ended up catching the WP at the end. Sorry if we offended anyone - the question was only asked out of curiosity, nothing more.

BuckOff, thanks for answering our question! I guess the movements are so foreign to me that they look unnatural. I work in the recreational aspect of horses - I can train a horse to do a lot of things with much ease, but WP definitely isn't one of them, lol.

Anyway, I'd love to learn more about it. Thanks for the video.
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Glad I could answer your question!
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post #19 of 20 Old 03-23-2009, 07:28 PM
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To get the horse to canter at such a low pace you have to get them used to the gait. Horses naturally canter fast because they're not entirely confy with that gait. They are also naturally lazy, and think if they have to canter, they might as well put in the least amount of effort, therefore, it's slow.
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post #20 of 20 Old 03-23-2009, 11:35 PM
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Yes, but it takes a LOT of balance, rhythm, and collection to properly canter, er, lope a WP lope.

The horse that is lazy, on his forehand, usually canters a lot quicker, and feels like a freight train.
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