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post #181 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 04:17 PM
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Pure intentions or not, the OP gave extra visibility to a video that shows a whopping 70" of something.

The other day, I was walking Mia out & about on a lead rope, trying to get her used to windy days. When she started calling to the other horses, I backed her up about 100 feet. That is what I've found works best for getting her attention without upsetting her.

Someone could have taken a video of me slapping her on her chest with my hand and backing her up, and call THAT abuse - and then my name could be linked with animal abuse on the web. Most of my neighbors know me as the guy who is always out working with his horse...but then, THAT isn't what would be posted. Just bsms, animal abuser.

And before someone helps spread that sort of rumor, I think they have a responsibility to LEARN the facts first...
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post #182 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 04:33 PM
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"Just saw that video recently going around and I still don't see the sense in this sort of "training technique", even as a WP trainer. If anyone can explain the mental and physical reasoning for trashing a horse's mouth in a positive light, then have at it."

The comments of Oh Vair Oh (above) cannot be taken to be of pure intention. They bash without knowledge as do many of the comments here. It is bad enough to see that stuff on Youtube but the ignorance there would make you expect it. Here, however, we see 'professionals' such as the OP commenting on something taken out of context with the same uninformed judgement. And she -as well as others that ride - should know better.

Again - I was there - I saw this man, this horse, the situation before and after and do not feel he was not unfair. He handled the horse very well and the animal was calmer and more aligned to do his job after the man rode and schooled him. Judge his hands if you know how to look at a horses reactions. The animal is showing a calmer demeanor after the rider is done with him than before. Oh - but wait - we don't get to see that here do we? BECAUSE THE VIDEO DOES NOT SHOW IT! The video begins with a spin - nothing before that. Could it be that there was something more prior to the decision to spin and then correct the animal? I can tell you that I saw a nervous, distracted young horse that wanted to be good but wasnt relaxed till after this man rode him and got his attention. Simple as that. If he had to be a bit tougher with his rein aids than 'ideal' to get the horse relaxed then perhaps that was what was needed. The animal sure looks chilled and calm as it walks away - not jittery a bit. I guess he could have just let the animal walk around worried and concerned or he could have drugged him silly instead of dealing with him straight up. I only wish I could get a horse relaxed and 'with me' in just over a minute - even if I had to bump him a bit to do it. The guy did a great job with the horse and was not cruel or out of line at all. He was a great rider and yes -had great hands - hands appropriate to the task he was faced with.
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Actually I am not unhappy with the results of the OPs post even though her comments are not on target or of 'pure intent'. The Youtube comments are downright frightening. At least here there are folks that ride and 'get it'. Thank you to those that have stood up to speak with justice rather than commenting in ignorance or harsh judgement.
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No, I apologise... It seems my presence right now on here is just stirring, and that's not my intention at all!

You see, its my birthday today, and I guess because of that I guess I felt I had this momentary power to resolve all issues and make good in the world, ha ha!

I will stop now, and leave this thread to you guys... I'm not very good at all this it seems.

Please just don't misunderstand my intentions here though. They are good.
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This actually made me cringe. I don't care about the behavior that preceded this "technique"- an adult man should not be yanking a horse's mouth like that ever.

That said, ABUSE is spelled with only ONE "b."
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This actually made me cringe. I don't care about the behavior that preceded this "technique"- an adult man should not be yanking a horse's mouth like that ever.

That said, ABUSE is spelled with only ONE "b."

That would only be true if this was actualy abuse. He was not yanking and it was very very fare from abuse.
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Actually I am not unhappy with the results of the OPs post even though her comments are not on target or of 'pure intent'. The Youtube comments are downright frightening. At least here there are folks that ride and 'get it'. Thank you to those that have stood up to speak with justice rather than commenting in ignorance or harsh judgement.

I have found that threads like this can be a good learning tool for people who actually wish to learn.
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That would only be true if this was actualy abuse. He was not yanking and it was very very fare from abuse.
He was pulling back with full force...jerking on both sides. You keep your opinion, and I'll have mine. I'm just surprised that horse let him stay seated.
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He was pulling back with full force...jerking on both sides. You keep your opinion, and I'll have mine. I'm just surprised that horse let him stay seated.
This is not just for you but for all those who seem to think he is jurking or yanking.

How may reiners have you worked riden and or trained? How many truly finished horses have you been on?

I am watching this video as a reiner watching anouther reiner working a horse out of a problem. Look at is from that point of view and you may actually learn something.
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We already had the yanking debate, let's not bring it back up.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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