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post #11 of 296 Old 04-08-2012, 07:46 PM
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It sure would be nice if people would check things out before they judge. This guy is a rookie reiner. This is his second horse. He has only been reining for a bit over 2 years. I would love to see how you all do with a reining horse at this level with only a few years of riding one. It is not at all as easy as it looks. So until you get more info then a 70 second video do not judge.

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I do appreciate your alternate opinion, nrhareiner, and your explanation.

The fact that he is a rookie does not impress me. I can only see that type of correction as a short-cut. And I agree, it is a method that people take that wins the big bucks and the big shows. As it shows in the video, he gets the correction and he gets it fast and the horse behaves and performs well.

However, it's simply not my cup of tea. I did not say it was abusive, and I think the rider does a good job of providing an adequate release afterward. I just would prefer to take two years of hold and release than a month of that. And I must admit, I'm not super sentimental to horses, I handle them fairly rough in my own opinion. I ride in spurs and a curb bit, I challenge my horses physically, and I don't win world championships (yet). It's not a technique I'll implement, just because it weighs better on my conscience to do it a different way.

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Also, I'm sorry I opened this can of worms... I really should learn to just post pretty pictures of my horses in my own la-la-land than get into this stuff, so I'm sorry. I really do dislike controversial issues.
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I've been to a lot of reined cow horse shows, rode with some of the trainers, watched them ride horses. I saw them do some correcting, and it wasn't like that video very much.

I havent trained a reining horse, but I have rode a couple, and they're awesome, so I have nothing against reining.

My point is that there are better ways to get the same result, and this isn't one of them. I don't care if it's in the warmup pen at a show, or that he's a rookie.

And I'm not one of those people, "Oooooooh don't hurt the pretty horsey!"
The only time my hands get like that, is when a horse tries to bolt, buck, or run through my hands, and then I will get rough. I've handed out my fair share of attitude adjustments on the ground and in the saddle.

I just don't really like watching what was going on in the video for the sake of winning.
The problem with the show world these days is that there is an obsession with winning, not with having a reliable, comfortable horse. That's why we see 2 and 3 year olds crippled when they get older, because of the pressure to have a big name in futurity season.

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There is nothing wrong with posting this type of thing. It is a learning curve for all who want to learn this type of thing. Also this is most likely a good 2 years of training on this horse. When done properly this technique will produce a nice soft responsive horse. This guy is learning his timing and getting there. He is not perfect but again it is a learning curve and not something you pick up over night and some never do. This type of work does work well but when done incorrectly can be harsh.
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I've been to a lot of reined cow horse shows, rode with some of the trainers, watched them ride horses. I saw them do some correcting, and it wasn't like that video very much.

I havent trained a reining horse, but I have rode a couple, and they're awesome, so I have nothing against reining.

My point is that there are better ways to get the same result, and this isn't one of them. I don't care if it's in the warmup pen at a show, or that he's a rookie.

And I'm not one of those people, "Oooooooh don't hurt the pretty horsey!"
The only time my hands get like that, is when a horse tries to bolt, buck, or run through my hands, and then I will get rough. I've handed out my fair share of attitude adjustments on the ground and in the saddle.

I just don't really like watching what was going on in the video for the sake of winning.
The problem with the show world these days is that there is an obsession with winning, not with having a reliable, comfortable horse. That's why we see 2 and 3 year olds crippled when they get older, because of the pressure to have a big name in futurity season.

You are basing your entire opinion of a 70 second video of a rookie reiner with less then 3 years of reining experiance. Again when done correctly this technique works very well and is not at all abussive or harsh. When done wrong can be. So until you sit in that saddle on that horse on that day....
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Off topic here, but that rider looked to be in his 60's to me, (sagging elbows & chest & an elderly posture)? Only 3 years into it?
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It is not at all uncommon for older people to get into reining. It is not a cheap sport to get into and it takes time to get to the point to have that type of disposible income to get a good finished reining horse. This is why you see the Prime time reiners class so there are more classes for people to show in.

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Right on! I have something to look forward to!
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post #20 of 296 Old 04-08-2012, 09:43 PM
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There is no way this can be justified as a viable training technique.

The end does not justify the means. Unless you are in a hurry, I guess.
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