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post #201 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 08:36 PM
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I'll take you up on it. I'm getting a lesson from someone I give lessons to. Try to find fault if you can.

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Would it be possible for some one to actually be asking a horse to DO something? I can put a monkey on my horse and he will do that too.

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post #202 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 08:37 PM
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Exactly....your limits. I have ridden reiners my entire life. I am a trainer believe it or not, though I do mainly train barrel horses and teach lessons to beginners. There are days when things get ugly. Horses are like children; you are their parents. It is not the parents job to be the child's BFF. Just the other day my finished reining mare tried to pull some stuff on me because she was feeling fresh and full of herself. She has has this attitude since she was a baby. She tried to run me over when I was leading her and I turned around and hit her hard on the chest with the lead. She jumped backwards and reared. Is that abuse? What if when I tried to spin her and she got lazy so I had to give her an extra hard spurring to get a response. Is that abuse too? Should I just continue to let her do those frankly dangerous things? Do you have another way you can offer me miss butterfly kisses? I have seen many a horse get kicked hard in the face and mouth by their pasturemates and have absolutely no problems with pain afterwards. They are stronger than you think they are. So strong that we need to demand their respect for both of our sakes.

If you have never had to get after a horse for something you are the luckiest person alive to have such angelic horses.

We have already said repetitively that we do not agree with the way the man uses his hands. But this is a FAR cry from "yanking" and "abuse".
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Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #203 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 08:40 PM
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I'll take you up on it. I'm getting a lesson from someone I give lessons to. Try to find fault if you can.

Natisha's lesson - YouTube
I love you sometimes.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #204 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 08:56 PM
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Thanks. Sometimes is better than never
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post #205 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 08:59 PM
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Exactly....your limits. I have ridden reiners my entire life. I am a trainer believe it or not, though I do mainly train barrel horses and teach lessons to beginners. There are days when things get ugly. Horses are like children; you are their parents. It is not the parents job to be the child's BFF. Just the other day my finished reining mare tried to pull some stuff on me because she was feeling fresh and full of herself. She has has this attitude since she was a baby. She tried to run me over when I was leading her and I turned around and hit her hard on the chest with the lead. She jumped backwards and reared. Is that abuse? What if when I tried to spin her and she got lazy so I had to give her an extra hard spurring to get a response. Is that abuse too? Should I just continue to let her do those frankly dangerous things? Do you have another way you can offer me miss butterfly kisses? I have seen many a horse get kicked hard in the face and mouth by their pasturemates and have absolutely no problems with pain afterwards. They are stronger than you think they are. So strong that we need to demand their respect for both of our sakes.

If you have never had to get after a horse for something you are the luckiest person alive to have such angelic horses.

We have already said repetitively that we do not agree with the way the man uses his hands. But this is a FAR cry from "yanking" and "abuse".
Not sure why my having a different opinion than you is such a big deal or why you have to resort to name calling to get a point across, but have at it. I handle things differently.
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post #206 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 09:07 PM
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Not sure why my having a different opinion than you is such a big deal or why you have to resort to name calling to get a point across, but have at it. I handle things differently.
Where is the name calling?

BTW how do you know for sure your trainer doesn't "abuse" your horses when they are riding them without you there? (using abuse in the sense you are. I, personally, do not see abuse in the original video...)
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post #207 of 296 Old 04-16-2012, 09:07 PM
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Jesus H.
I re-quoted the butterfly kisses as sarcasm. I haven't trained a horse start to finish because I, unlike this amateur, know my limits. Never said I have. My horse has his faults, like any other, and I handle it with strength and firmness. I do not use a heavy hand in my horse's mouth to provide a correction because that is MY way. It's so nice to know you can post an opinion on here without getting bombarded by top professionals who know absolutely everything.
So why exactly do you need to say 'Jesus H'. Are you seeking to offend? If you are, then congrats, cause I don't care for it and found it offensive. Disagreeing about things is one thing - even if vehemently stated. I might have tolerated it if you had been trying to be offensive about the subject at hand because it is evident that some people will do that to defend their 'stance' and will judge even if they havent the knowledge base to do so. But the intent of your 'expression' was uncalled for and quite rude toward those of us that believe in Jesus as God. That kind of hate language is uncalled for. You don't need to do that to express yourself do you?
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He was pulling back with full force...jerking on both sides. You keep your opinion, and I'll have mine...
Opinions are one thing, but facts are another. He was NOT pulling back with full force. With a pulley rein, you use full force. What I did in post 61:



Was pretty close to full force - as close to full force as I plan on ever coming. And when he stopped running (we had already done about 10 laps), I released. Then he ran again, and I pulled again. And we repeated until he decided to pay attention.

I sure look horrible. But in context of what had happened (read post 61 for details), it made sense and it worked. My daughter-in-law is riding him right now...and he is listening to the bit. And the reason he is listening is because it is better to listen than to refuse. That is what I mean when I say that sometimes you have to go where you don't want to go, so that the horse won't want to go there either.

And in terms of pain, I suspect the horse in the video is being hurt less than he would if hit with a crop. The force used was well below "full force".

My little mustang, being an ex-lesson horse, has a tough mouth. We are working on softening him. I poured an entire jar of butterfly kisses on his mouth, but it didn't work - so we're back to giving the horse choices and waiting for him to make the better one.

The problem with a snapshot or a short video is context. In a corral, Cowboy comes to me for pets, as do all the horses. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the horse in the video LIKES his rider. But without seeing how his horse behaves outside of that clip, we cannot know.

Context.

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So why exactly do you need to say 'Jesus H'. Are you seeking to offend? If you are, then congrats, cause I don't care for it and found it offensive. Disagreeing about things is one thing - even if vehemently stated. I might have tolerated it if you had been trying to be offensive about the subject at hand because it is evident that some people will do that to defend their 'stance' and will judge even if they havent the knowledge base to do so. But the intent of your 'expression' was uncalled for and quite rude toward those of us that believe in Jesus as God. That kind of hate language is uncalled for. You don't need to do that to express yourself do you?
There wasn't hate, and I don't consider it to be hateful. It's used in frustration. Sorry if it's offensive to you; it's not to me.
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Not sure why my having a different opinion than you is such a big deal or why you have to resort to name calling to get a point across, but have at it. I handle things differently.

I say my opiion because you are not the only person reading this thread. I do not direct everything at you because some people could also benefit from what we have to say.

I don't see where I ever called you a name but thanks for the accusation....

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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