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    04-09-2012, 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by cowboy bowhunter    
Was this at a show, or was this at at training barn? This is a short clip. I bet jumpers to just as bad of stuff. And there can't be people watching every part of a show or arenas or anything. I hate is when people assume just because one person everyone does stuff wrong.
I see the points I made flew right over your head.
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    04-09-2012, 12:05 PM
Mildot honey, you clearly don't agree with us and are not going to change our opinion just as it's plainly obvious we can do nothing to change your mind either. Perhaps it is best if we just stop argueing. Taking stabs at reining and stabs at us is doing nothing for you nor us.
    04-09-2012, 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
The quickness of his hands and the see-sawing is what makes it look ugly.
The horse's evasion to such harsh treatment is what really makes it look ugly.
    04-09-2012, 12:08 PM
If you're that against it maybe you should contact the rider or the NRHA instead of complaining on a forum....
    04-09-2012, 12:11 PM
First this guy IS NOT A TRAINER!! He is no different then any one of us. He is a guy who has a nice reiner who is learning how to maintain the horse. He may or may not even have a trainer he is working with. You just do not know so do not judge until you have sat in that saddle.
    04-09-2012, 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
The quickness of his hands and the see-sawing is what makes it look ugly.

Just curious if we are seeing the same thing....

To me the horse looks like he leaning on the bit, and getting heavy and a little sprawled out in the front. Like you said, can't see his feet and the other horses crossing in front of the camera, so it's hard to tell. He doesn't appear to be planting his his pivot foot(I realize they can pick it up and put it down) but he almost looks like he might be traveling just a tad or swapping ends a little. One direction is worse than the other, can't remember which...
What do you see?
Ya this is just part of what I am seeing. But again I can not see the whole horse. It also looks like the horse is getting suck in the front end so if this is true and again I can not see the horses feet so I can only go on what I am seeing in the shoulder. To free up the front end you need to bridle the horse up flex him at the pole which is what he is trying to do. There are a few other things that he could have tried and may have but since all we see is 70 seconds it is hard to say what he tried before and after this.
    04-09-2012, 12:18 PM
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
He is no different then any one of us.
I beg to differ. People with empathy know better than to deliberately inflict pain on an animal. One need not be a trainer or expert horseman to understand that.
    04-09-2012, 12:18 PM
Firstly I don't know alot about reining only what I see on the web and read on here, so Iam not going to say this is or isnt how it should be done.. but in my own personal opinion would you want someone yanking at your mouth like that?
I realise in every form of horseriding theres different training methods, but considering he is using what looks like a gag bit, which are already a very sharp bit I do think he's yanking and pulling a bit to much...If I done that to any of my horses it would probably leave them with a really hard mouth or just sour them ... in my opinion.
    04-09-2012, 12:19 PM
I see now that this kind of treatment is considered acceptable. With that I am gone.
    04-09-2012, 12:22 PM
Any competitive horse sport has people who either screw up, or push too hard in order to win. The FEI is not flawless. There are ample videos available of dressage and jump riders acting either stupidly or maliciously. And maybe sometimes they actually know what they are doing & why - I find it a bit awkward to critique world level performers...

Abusive? I prefer to leave the term for something more harmful to the horse. And in honesty, someone watching MY riding could find fault with me. They might even find times where I've lost my temper or behaved stupidly. But then, I may be one of the few who wasn't born a natural horseman...and who sometimes needs to count on the forgiving nature of most horses.

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