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post #51 of 296 Old 04-09-2012, 11:22 AM
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And we're back to the YANKING debate.....

Unsoftly pulling on the reins? Yes. Hard hands? Yes. Uneccessary pulling? Yes. Yanking? NO

Is the horse's mouth bloody? Is his tongue cut up? Is he developing sores? I swear to god if any of you say yes I will throw my hands up on this thread since none of you have actually seen inside that horse's mouth. Yanking would be actual drastic damage. When I get home I will find a video of a horse ACTUALLY being yanked on so you can compare.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #52 of 296 Old 04-09-2012, 11:27 AM
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And we're back to the YANKING debate.....
Is that in reaction to my post?

Throw your hands up if you want, everyones got different ways of saying things, where Iam from people would call that yanking.
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post #53 of 296 Old 04-09-2012, 11:27 AM
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...All I see is brutality to FORCE the horse into that prized headset than so many in the western show world seem to have to have...
Yep. ONLY in western riding does anyone prize a 'headset' - a word I'd love to see eliminated from the world. Never happens, tho, if the person sits on an English saddle...arrggghhhhh

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post #54 of 296 Old 04-09-2012, 11:28 AM
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The horse's evasion to such harsh treatment is what really makes it look ugly.

First if this was such harsh treatment then there would have been evidence on the horses mouth and the horse would have been DQed. So if he was not then it must not have been that harsh.

Next if you think this is such a harsh and bad treatment of the horse the NRHA has policies in place to address this. This is the big problem I have with this whole video. It is about 2 months old and is now just being posted on UTube. Why was it not taken to the judges at the show or to the office and shown to them? Why was it not forwarded to NRHA for them to review. I know for the fact that NRHA will suspend a person if they feel they are being abussive to a horse at a show.
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Thank you nrhareiner and bsms.

I guarantee you if this person had gone in an english saddle to a dressage show he would be complimented on his horse's lovely headset and frame....It's sick. I think I've pretty much exhausted my civility on the topic. I may not think its abuse but the bias and attitude is just out of the water.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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There is no head set on reining. You will see horses heads at all levels that win. This has NOTHING to do with head set but what he is trying to do is free up the front end of the horse in the turn. I am not going to go into all the fundamentals of what he is trying to do as it would be long and until you actuall sit a reiner and feel the differeance you would have a hard time visualizing it.

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Thank you nrhareiner and bsms.

I guarantee you if this person had gone in an english saddle to a dressage show he would be complimented on his horse's lovely headset and frame....It's sick. I think I've pretty much exhausted my civility on the topic. I may not think its abuse but the bias and attitude is just out of the water.

Seriously?? Have you ever BEEN to a dressage show?? Please don't bash my sport and discipline just because someone decided to post a video of an ammy in yours and call it abuse.

I was just WAITING for dressage and Rolkur to get pulled into this...


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The orig video IMO is just some guy that needs a better trainer but is far from abusive.

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Seriously?? Have you ever BEEN to a dressage show?? Please don't bash my sport and discipline just because someone decided to post a video of an ammy in yours and call it abuse.

I was just WAITING for dressage and Rolkur to get pulled into this...
Agreed with anebel, I'm not sure what dressage show YOU have been to, but in the ones around here, that "frame" would not be considered lovely. Behind the bit and too low for dressage... yes it does remind me of "Rolkur", but I think if you ask 99% of the dressage folks on here their take of that training practice, they'd share their distaste of it.

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Abusive? No. Far from it. I see a rookie who is trying to rock his horse back on his hocks for the spin, but his limited experience isn't achieving the results he wants. He could be softer with his hands, he could use his seat and legs more to rock the horse back on his haunches, but he releases when the horse responds and gets progressively harsher when he doesn't get the results he wants. This is NOT abuse.
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Anebel you know very well I respect good dressage highly, I've ridden it myself, (Not my cup of tea and nothing serious but we did fairly well) but for Christ's sake, you have to admit some of that is out there.

Maybe for you guys where you have good riders and good shows it wouldn't be considered lovely, but you haven't seen my area. My area actually disturbs me. I went to watch a dressage show and actually had to turn around and leave before I saw any of the good riders. Since then I've found a few. I never said the entirety of the dressage discipline is like that, just like not all reining is. It was to make a point, not a stab.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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