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        12-24-2009, 11:48 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    It did thank you!
         
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        12-25-2009, 07:54 AM
      #12
    Yearling
    Since no one mentioned the spur stop, I will.

    It's terrible. It's like driving a car with your emergency brake on.

    The horse is supposed to stop when the spurs are held (and not usually lightly) against his frame. This makes most horses very crabby about the stop, and it's hard to get these horses to do anything else other then reining/western pleasure because the leg does not mean go. If you squeeze, they'll stop. There was one big time western pleasure trainer who said, 'if I get a horse in with a spur stop trained, he can't do anything else other then western pleasure.'
         
        12-25-2009, 10:16 PM
      #13
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
    Since no one mentioned the spur stop, I will.

    It's terrible. It's like driving a car with your emergency brake on.

    The horse is supposed to stop when the spurs are held (and not usually lightly) against his frame. This makes most horses very crabby about the stop, and it's hard to get these horses to do anything else other then reining/western pleasure because the leg does not mean go. If you squeeze, they'll stop. There was one big time western pleasure trainer who said, 'if I get a horse in with a spur stop trained, he can't do anything else other then western pleasure.'

    I'm going to guess that you haven't ridden a spur trained horse. A spur stop is really a way for the rider to rate the speed of their horse by only using their legs. A steady squeeze & hold (and a light hold does the trick) will get the horse to slow, while a bump-bump-bump will get the horse to increase speed. Works great for my horse & he's never crabby about a thing.
         
        12-26-2009, 02:19 AM
      #14
    Trained
    ^ Does he show and do well in any classes apart from WP? (Not being snarky, just curious).
         
        12-26-2009, 03:24 AM
      #15
    Yearling
    Actually, I've ridden many. Most were crabby.

    And I'm pretty sure the Association labeled it with excessive slow, head down too low, and 4-beating. They don't want to see it anymore, because it's unnecessary.

    I can slow my horse too without my reins--with my seat.
         
        12-26-2009, 08:05 AM
      #16
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    ^ Does he show and do well in any classes apart from WP? (Not being snarky, just curious).
    He does well in equitation, horsemanship, trail, showmanship, plus I do a lot of trail riding & give lessons with him. A spur stop can be a great asset in every way that I use him.

    Maybe I should also say that I ride him without spurs. The spurs do not make the spur stop. It's the use of certain cues to get a certain response out of your horse.
         
        12-28-2009, 10:51 AM
      #17
    Yearling
    I understand that spurs don't make a spur stop (however, many are trained this way).

    The Association still does not want to see it anymore--the leg should be impulsive. It's known as 'riding the brakes'. When the AQHA put out it's video of undesirable training methods, the spur stop was the first to be mentioned; Bob Avila notes that the spur stop is the 'worst thing ever invented'. Many trainers state if you're squeezing to keep him slow, you're not helping him, you're carrying him.

    The association wants it out. Where's your argument against the association?
         
        01-02-2010, 11:32 AM
      #18
    Green Broke
    The spur stop sounds alot like dressage riders slowing their horse with their seat and legs and ther is no problem with that
         
        01-02-2010, 11:56 AM
      #19
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
    IMany trainers state if you're squeezing to keep him slow, you're not helping him, you're carrying him.
    That could be said about other methods as well. Anytime you have to "carry" the horse, it is not a well-trained, broke horse. When I talk about spur stop, it's probably not in the sense that you are referring to. I use it as a cue. Just like you would cue a horse to canter, I cue my horse to slow down. It's not a constant squeeze to maintain the slowness. That would be carrying the horse.
         
        01-02-2010, 09:45 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Quote:
    The spur stop sounds alot like dressage riders slowing their horse with their seat and legs and ther is no problem with that
    It's very different - In dressage the legs and seat are used to create forward and impulsion - And you become 'passive' or 'blocking' with your seat to ask for slower or for a stop.

    The spur stop as I understand it, takes a cue that normally means forward but changes the purpose to mean stop. Putting your leg ON means STOP - When usually putting leg ON means GO.

    That's where all the controversy comes from :]
         

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