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        01-03-2010, 01:18 AM
      #21
    Yearling
    I've never heard of the spur stop, but while I was training my horse I taught her that when we are stopped, a bump in a certain area means back up..and I thinks it's one of the greatest things I ever taught her. It really helped me win in a class when all the other riders were pulling the horses to go back.
    I'm not sure if it's even close to the same thing, but there's my two-cents.
         
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        01-03-2010, 12:17 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    Since it was ignored twice I'll post I again...

    ' The association wants it out. Where's your argument against the association?'
         
        01-03-2010, 12:37 PM
      #23
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
    Since it was ignored twice I'll post I again...

    ' The association wants it out. Where's your argument against the association?'
    Never said I had any beef with the association.
         
        01-03-2010, 02:31 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
    I still fail to see the problem with the spur stop. It's just training the horse differently.
         
        01-03-2010, 03:54 PM
      #25
    Trained
    I use my legs for back up also - Backward is still 'forward' - Just in a different direction. I use a blocking seat to stop, and then a blocking seat in conjunction with leg to back up - agree, a back up without rein will always win out. It is usually better quality.

    Personally I don't like the idea - It goes against what we have been teaching horses for hundreds of years - That leg means forward. What if you are out working cattle and a cow breaks away, and in the heat of the moment you use the 'wrong' leg signal - Your horse stops and the cow gets away, creating a lot more work.

    I think I more dislike it because it has no practical use for me - I teach my horses to stop off my seat and all my reins do is make sure they yeild their nose in the stop. I have never had any desire to compete in classes such as WP - I am all about working horses and classes that show that ability in the horse. So because of that, it has no use and would be counter-productive for me. However if you want to teach it go ahead - But also be aware that it may be a downside when (if) selling that horse.
         
        01-03-2010, 10:18 PM
      #26
    Yearling
    I know you don't, my point was and still is, if the association wants it out, what is your argument to support that your decision is better then what the association is calling for?

    The reason they want it out is because, for a long time, WP is the laughing stock of ridden competitions. The last thing they need is a completely backwards training method that makes the horse useless if it is sold to a different discipline. No one ever said it was cruel (unless the trainer really uses the spur... which I've seen), but WP was supposed to be the 'foundation' for other things such as cow work, reining, whatever. There's not much you can do when the horse slows down when you ask him to go.

    And wild_spot is correct... the back up is 'forward', just in a different direction. Most Classical dressage instructors will have you 'block' forward motion with some rein and your seat, and redirect the energy out the back end. ;)
         
        01-03-2010, 10:37 PM
      #27
    Trained
    Quote:
    Most Classical dressage instructors will have you 'block' forward motion with some rein and your seat, and redirect the energy out the back end. ;)
    Yup, exactly what I do, I just use different words :)
         
        01-04-2010, 10:10 AM
      #28
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
    I know you don't, my point was and still is, if the association wants it out, what is your argument to support that your decision is better then what the association is calling for?

    The reason they want it out is because, for a long time, WP is the laughing stock of ridden competitions. The last thing they need is a completely backwards training method that makes the horse useless if it is sold to a different discipline. No one ever said it was cruel (unless the trainer really uses the spur... which I've seen), but WP was supposed to be the 'foundation' for other things such as cow work, reining, whatever. There's not much you can do when the horse slows down when you ask him to go.

    And wild_spot is correct... the back up is 'forward', just in a different direction. Most Classical dressage instructors will have you 'block' forward motion with some rein and your seat, and redirect the energy out the back end. ;)
    You don't get it. :roll:

    The association wants horses to go around with forward motion, impulsion & collection in a quiet, willing manner without constant interference (cueing) from the rider. That's what I'm training my horses to do. The western world calls using your seat & legs to cue a horse a "spur stop", but it isn't all that different from the methods of other disciplines.
         
        01-04-2010, 06:59 PM
      #29
    Trained
    ^ I'm sorry but I don't know of any other discipline that uses leg pressure to ask for a stop - And i've ridden in a lot. Which disciplines use a similar method?
         
        01-04-2010, 08:29 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
    Dressage. You close the leg around the horse, and sit a little back.
         

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