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post #31 of 36 Old 01-04-2010, 09:02 PM
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I have ridden a lot of dressage in my time. A spur stop is not similar to a halt in dressage. The legs are used in a halt to keep forward momentum into the halt and the seat blocks the movement. In a spur stop you put your legs on as if asking for forward - but the aim is the opposite.

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post #32 of 36 Old 01-04-2010, 11:53 PM
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I'm sure a spur stop isn't EXACTLY as the name implies. Even in western pleasure the seat is used a ton. From what I've read and gathered, the halt and spur stop are very similar.
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I'm sure a spur stop isn't EXACTLY as the name implies. Even in western pleasure the seat is used a ton. From what I've read and gathered, the halt and spur stop are very similar.

Someone who does get it!

Actually, to stop my spur trained horse, all I have to do is say "whoa". No spur, no pulling on the reins. Pretty easy for anyone to ride.

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^ Then why do you train the spur stop? My horse stops of 'whoah' also - But he isn't trained with a spur stop. If it is looked down upon so much in the western world, and the end result is the SAME as a traditionally trained stop, why use it?

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^ Then why do you train the spur stop? My horse stops of 'whoah' also - But he isn't trained with a spur stop. If it is looked down upon so much in the western world, and the end result is the SAME as a traditionally trained stop, why use it?
I don't like to call it "spur stop". Like someone else said, it isn't EXACTLY as the name implies. I like to call it "spur trained". But even that isn't exactly a literal name for it. "Leg cued" might be a better name.

How do you get your horse to go from an extended jog down to a regular jog? How do you remind your horse to stay collected, lift his back, and engage his hocks as he goes along?

If at any point, you have to pull back on the reins, you've got the wrong answer. Remember, WP horses are ridden with a drape rein so we lose that line of communication (ie, no half halts). A leg cue is a subtle, yet well understood, option to replace rein contact.

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How do you get your horse to go from an extended jog down to a regular jog?
I use my blocking seat - The same one I use to halt/stop, but to a lesser extent. ANY slwing down of pace on my show horse is done via my blockign seat - I don't do western but I have a few champion pleasure ribbons - A class where you must ride with draped reins, one handed, but in a snaffle. I have less influence like that than I would have if I switched the snaffle for a curb - I can do all manouvres with a draped rein in a snaffle that I can with my usual contact. My leg always means either forward or lateral - My seat can mean forward, maintain, OR stop/slow.

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How do you remind your horse to stay collected, lift his back, and engage his hocks as he goes along?
This I use my leg for - I ask for forward using my leg and block the actual forward movement with a slight block in my reins (not pulling - Just not giving) and just enough of a block in my seat that his forward energy moves up and into the bridle instead of being translated into speed or tempo.

I do understand that you don't literally spur your horse to stop - I was just using the name. I also (though it may appear, lol) don't really mind how you train your horse; If it's working well for you, fantastic! Who am I to try and change the way you do things? I guess I am just trying to figure out the why - When the association apparently disapproves and the results are achievable without it, what your reasons are to continue to train it? Not snarky, genuinly curious. I am still curious as to which disciplines use a similar method - I will be the first to admit I have never ridden and only seen via video any western events, so my knowledge is limited to what I learn here!

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