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    11-09-2011, 11:46 AM
  #1
Weanling
My western saddle slips sideways breast collar or back cinch?

I am new to western tack and have a question about my saddle. My saddle only has a front cinch and when I have tightened it as much as I can and I try to mount from the floor the saddle slides towards me. Someone said that maybe my latigo??? (the d ring and leather strap) is set a little too far forward for the saddle? The last time I rode in it I kept having to put my weight into my right stirrup to move my saddle over. Would a back cinch help to keep the saddle more secure or should I try a breast collar? It's not that I don't have my cinch tight enough as it's as tight as I can get it.
     
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    11-09-2011, 11:53 AM
  #2
Foal
There could be several reasons for this. 1. The saddle may not fit the horse right. 2. The horse might be mutton withered. 3. The horse may be holding in air and blowing out his belly while you are cinching, and then when you go to get on the saddle isn't as tight as you thought it was. 4. You may be a little on the heavy side and pulling the saddle out of position when you mount.

A back cinch won't help, all they do is keep the saddle down in the back. Your best solution is a breast collar and a mounting block. But you might want to get your saddle checked by a saddle fitter.
     
    11-09-2011, 12:01 PM
  #3
Foal
I sometimes have the same problem. The western saddle I have is a good fit but my mare is very flat across the withers. A good product to use is a saddle pad with a non-slip surface underneath. You can also get cinches made from the same material - if you look up non-slip pads on the internet you should find something. My mare also hates being cinched up so I do it slowly so she doesn't get the chance to hold her breath!!
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    11-09-2011, 12:05 PM
  #4
Weanling
1. The saddle may not fit the horse right. 2. The horse might be mutton withered. 3. The horse may be holding in air and blowing out his belly while you are cinching, and then when you go to get on the saddle isn't as tight as you thought it was. 4. You may be a little on the heavy side and pulling the saddle out of position when you mount.

A back cinch won't help, all they do is keep the saddle down in the back. Your best solution is a breast collar and a mounting block. But you might want to get your saddle checked by a saddle fitter.[/QUOTE]

Thanks i'll reply in your order.

I had the saddle guy come out and check a short while ago and it's a good fit.

Yeah my mare is very mutton withered and flat backed she is a uk native breed.

I usually move my horses around on the ground to get the feel of them before getting on but she does blow out and I have to re-tighten once I have moved her round.

You may also be right on this aswell i'm afraid to say I am slightly on the heavy side (12 stone) for my height. I do use a mounting block but sometimes I have to get on from the floor when we are out trail riding.

So breast collar would be the way to go then?
     
    11-09-2011, 12:06 PM
  #5
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Pictures of the horse and the saddle would greatly help. It could be that either your horse doesn't have any withers to hold up the saddle (been there!! I've never needed a mounting block before in my life until I went to get on that horse.), or you are doing a very common newbie mistake and pulling on the horn and cantle as you *pull* instead of *push* your way into the saddle.

Pulling on the horn and cantle brings the saddle to you, the correct way of getting into a western saddle is playing a hand on the horses neck/withers, and the other hand either flat down on the cantle or behind it, and pushing yourself (like a push up!) up and then swinging gently over and into the seat. It's pretty common for people to get up the wrong way, and it's nothing to be upset about as long as one works to fix the mistake- otherwise it leads to high discomfort for the horse. Please don't take any of that the wrong way, meant it in a polite manner.

As for your original question, to help keep a saddle in place you use a breastcollar, the back cinch is there to keep the back end of the saddle down- but it is usually fairly loose and does nothing to keep the saddle from sliding side to side.

So I'd reccomend using a mounting block until you can push yourself up a little easier, and a breast collar.

That said, make sure the saddle actually fits.... pictures would be a LOT of help :)

Hope that helps some!
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    11-09-2011, 12:07 PM
  #6
Weanling
Skipka she is a dales mare so if you know the breed i'm sure you will know what i'm facing. I have a 1inch thick felt pad that I use under the saddle that I had imported from America. Did you get your pad from UK if so any recommendations of where to get them from. I'm from North of England.
     
    11-09-2011, 12:08 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by Skipka    
I sometimes have the same problem. The western saddle I have is a good fit but my mare is very flat across the withers. A good product to use is a saddle pad with a non-slip surface underneath. You can also get cinches made from the same material - if you look up non-slip pads on the internet you should find something. My mare also hates being cinched up so I do it slowly so she doesn't get the chance to hold her breath!!
Be careful getting these- not all horses take to them well. I've said it on here before but I've had horses get rubbed raw in a few places after just two hours with one of the neoprene non-slip pads. I prefer wool or felt, it sticks pretty well and is heavy and soft.
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    11-09-2011, 12:14 PM
  #8
Weanling
[QUOTE=Tianimalz;1227595]Pictures of the horse and the saddle would greatly help. It could be that either your horse doesn't have any withers to hold up the saddle (been there!! I've never needed a mounting block before in my life until I went to get on that horse.), or you are doing a very common newbie mistake and pulling on the horn and cantle as you *pull* instead of *push* your way into the saddle.

she doesn't have much wither. It's very difficult to get saddles for our natives.

Pulling on the horn and cantle brings the saddle to you, the correct way of getting into a western saddle is playing a hand on the horses neck/withers, and the other hand either flat down on the cantle or behind it, and pushing yourself (like a push up!) up and then swinging gently over and into the seat. It's pretty common for people to get up the wrong way, and it's nothing to be upset about as long as one works to fix the mistake- otherwise it leads to high discomfort for the horse. Please don't take any of that the wrong way, meant it in a polite manner.


I'm not offended and I suspect you could be right. I do take hold of my horses neck but also hold onto the swell. I'm not the most athletic of riders and I suspect this could be the case and i'm pulling the saddle towards me.

So I'd reccomend using a mounting block until you can push yourself up a little easier, and a breast collar.

I will use the mounting block more until i'm better at mounting. I have always been given a 'leg up' or used a moutnign block and as she is only 14.2 I was keen to start mounting from the ground just to get the technique and so that if I really had to get off wihile riding I could get back on but maybe I will stick to the mounting block for a while. I'll try get pics of me riding this weekend. I don't have many pics of me riding.
     
    11-09-2011, 12:17 PM
  #9
Weanling
Thanks for the advice about the non slip pad. I'm not sure how my horse would react to the pads but I do really like my felt pad and at 60 I think I might have to stick with it.
     
    11-09-2011, 12:19 PM
  #10
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Originally Posted by netty83    
I will use the mounting block more until i'm better at mounting. I have always been given a 'leg up' or used a moutnign block and as she is only 14.2 I was keen to start mounting from the ground just to get the technique and so that if I really had to get off wihile riding I could get back on but maybe I will stick to the mounting block for a while. I'll try get pics of me riding this weekend. I don't have many pics of me riding.
Practice makes perfect

Plus, the more you build your upper body strength, the easier it'll be! I like to keep a pair of 10lb weights by the television and do a couple easy workouts with them while I'm watching Law and Order Since I don't always have time to ride as much as I'd like, it's important to keep the "riding" muscles in somewhat acceptable shape so that when I do get my chance to ride it won't be as difficult. I also like the wall crunches for working the leg muscles, but that's for a different topic.

So don't get discouraged, everyone has this problem at least once. Horseback riding demands a lot of fitness in many ways, and that isn't always easy
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