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post #11 of 20 Old 11-09-2011, 12:00 PM
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When you are mounting you need to keep your body close to the saddle and really spring with your right leg to get up there quickly. It takes a lot of practise to do this smoothly. When you are riding if the saddle is slipping to one side you are putting more weight in one stirrup. A common occurrance is for the rider to unknowingly ride with a sideways tilt in the hip. This creates a longer leg on one side and shorter on the other. To compensate the rider often drops the shoulder on the short side. Altho it takes practice there's an easy remedy. Have someone stand directly behind at watch your waistband which should be parallel to the ground and let you know when to correct. Also then to correct your shoulder which should also be parallel to the ground. This will straighten your spine. Once you know how it should feel, an exercise is to sit in the saddle and focus on whether or not the pressure of your seat bones feels the same or not. This is the fun part as it will drive you nuts wondering if you really do have it right. It does make you aware of what you need to do tho. Do you find you seem to lose one stirrup whereas not the other? That's the one on your short side.
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I do sometimes feel like i have more weight in the foot which the saddle seems to be slipping to. I was told that i am very very slightly leaning to one side and now i know i have been working hard to correct this. I also have realised that i do this in everyday things aswell. when i'm sat at my chair at work i can feel alot more weight down my left side and actually even when i put all my weight down my right side my left side is still the heaviest i know that might not make sense but even if i sit on my right bum cheek my left leg still feels far heavier than my right.

should i or should i not.........
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post #13 of 20 Old 11-09-2011, 04:18 PM
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I've had good luck with non-slip pads, though I'd be wary of rubbing with a non-slip girth.

Since your saddle fits, I'd say you just need to make sure to get the girth as tight as possible, use a tall mounting block and possibly even have someone hold the opposite stirrup for you while you mount, if someone is around.

Mounting quickly with agility will also help, the more time you spend pulling on one side of the saddle, the more likely it is to slip.

A breast collar is not going to significantly improve the situation - if anything, it may irritate your horse by applying additional, uncomfortable pressure as the saddle slips. Your breast collar would have to be extremely tight before it would do much of anything for slipping. A back cinch would slip right along with the front cinch.

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You might want to consider getting a longer cinch(girth). I've found that if a cinch is too short that the saddle has more slide.

As far as mounting I'll tell you how I do it. I ride a lot of green or spoiled horses so it's important for me to have two hands on the horse at all times. I place my left hand along with the reins on the neck and get a hold on the mane. I put my other hand on the saddle horn. I stand close to the horse, bounce once or twice and then swing on in one steady motion. I try to use my arms very little and only to keep me close to the horse and use my leg to push myself high enough to get in the saddle.
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thanks Kevin great description I'll give that a try when i next mount. I also have just switched cinches from a long one that wouldn't go tight enough as I ran out of leather before it was tight enough so my presumption was that the cinch was too big to a small one which seems alot better but saddle slips with both.

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post #16 of 20 Old 11-10-2011, 08:32 AM
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Kevin gave great advice. Another trick for a mutton withered horse, is to mount more facing forward instead of straight on looking at your horses side. Mounting that way will put a more backwards pull on your saddle than sideways. Takes some practice to get it down, but it will help.
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post #17 of 20 Old 11-10-2011, 09:38 AM
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Netty, it's great that you are aware of your uneven weight. You don't need a coach to have someone stand behind you while riding just as long as they can see your waist band or belt. Oftentimes the rider also moves the pelvis on the short side forward to compensate altho likely done unconsciously. So your spine and shoulders and waist need to look like this .. I. Then you saddle will quit slipping. A test of your balance is to ride a 20' circle, both ways. If you saddle seems to slide to the outside going one way but not the other then you know for sure which side has the greater pressure. Riding the circles will help you readjust. It doesn't matter if it takes a month, one day it will be second nature.
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I agree with what some of the others have said above. If you are only having trouble with the saddle leaning sideways, then it is probably a combination of your horse being flat backed and your balance in the saddle. A breast collar won't really help, if you were to use it you would have to fasten it tight enough to wear it would actually impede the horse's movement. I would not go for the non-slip girth. Even if they do not rub the horses back raw, they can cause great discomfort to your horses muscles by constantly pulling the muscle in a direction it does not normally go. I would just try to be conscious of your weight and really trying to keep your weight out of your stirrups. Try holding on to the saddle more with your thigh. This will cause you to sit up and in the saddle; not pushing yourself off to one side like when you balance with your feet. If you do this enough times, it will become second nature to you. Then, your leaning and subsequent saddle sliding should decrease a lot. Good luck!
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post #19 of 20 Old 11-12-2011, 07:36 PM
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I had the same problem with a horse I was leasing - he has mutton withers and was wide. Thankfully there was another saddle at the barn was wider than the Wintec his own had for him.

Tacky Too pads are great from what I've heard.
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I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if I duplicate others.

I really don't like nonslip pads. Can really irritate the horse.
However, a 1 inch felt pad might be really thick. Sometimes those heavey felt pads need a lot of use and time to conform to the horse's back shape, and in the meantime, they cna make the saddle not sit well on the horse's back. My new 3/4 wool felt pad does this, so I went back to my older wool pad that's all broke in.

Did your saddle fitter have familiary with western saddle fitting?
I found that Mac's saddle was always rolling to the right, and it had to do with the way he walked and the shape of his back. So, I used a small "shim" that I now velcro to his saddle pad. It keeps the saddle centered. I also almost never get on from the ground, but that's due to my laziness and fatness.

Try a different pad under the saddle just to see if the pad has some of the fault.

Good luck. OH, feel free to post pictures of the saddle on your mare, no pad under it and from various angles. ok?
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