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        07-05-2013, 09:34 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Do you have a professional that you can take lessons from?

    In my experience, a horse that sulls up and doesn't want to work will often escalate as far as bad behavior goes.
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        07-05-2013, 09:38 PM
      #12
    Started
    Keep making clicking noises and get the life up in your body to go forward and sit up in your seat a little more when asking her to go forward.
    If you have a romel rein, then take the end of it and for her warnings, slap your left shoulder, then your right. Then your left hip, then your right, then your thigh, then your other thigh - and if she still hasn't gone by those warnings then lightly tap her shoulders with it. If she still doesn't go, keep the steady speed but increase the pressure slowly until she goes forward. This really works with my horse when I want him to go forward, faster, or to just behave.
         
        07-05-2013, 09:59 PM
      #13
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by amberly    
    Keep making clicking noises and get the life up in your body to go forward and sit up in your seat a little more when asking her to go forward.
    If you have a romel rein, then take the end of it and for her warnings, slap your left shoulder, then your right. Then your left hip, then your right, then your thigh, then your other thigh - and if she still hasn't gone by those warnings then lightly tap her shoulders with it. If she still doesn't go, keep the steady speed but increase the pressure slowly until she goes forward. This really works with my horse when I want him to go forward, faster, or to just behave.
    In my opinion, this gives the horse wayyyy too many chances to react. Clicking, slapping yourself in six places, and tapping her shoulders repeatedly is too much. Ask, tell, demand. Ask with the expectation she will move off, tell with a dressage whip at the leg if she ignores it, and you should rarely have to get to "demand".
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        07-06-2013, 09:02 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Thank you guys, she learned quickly and will now go forward with a kiss(:
         
        07-06-2013, 09:05 PM
      #15
    Started
    You can tap yourself for warnings as much or less as you would like. Sometimes when Brisco knows what he should be doing, I "kiss" him forward, then tap my shoulders and usually by that he goes. But most of the time I will only tap my shoulders, then his his withers.
         
        08-12-2013, 04:37 AM
      #16
    Foal
    If you're a timid rider you should work on becoming more confident. The more confident you are, the more of a leader the horse will see you as, and less of a push over. Make sure your horse isn't in pain and that there isn't an equipment issue such as improper saddle fit, etc. Also, make sure your horse understands the absolute basics of forward movement and is well broke overall.
         
        09-11-2013, 11:54 PM
      #17
    Foal
    With my horse, it goes:
    1. Tongue Click
    2. Squeeze
    3. Small nudge
    4. Crop and a big kick.

    He used to not like moving out, but I have been consistently doing the 'ask, tell, demand', and he now moved well off of just the ask. If he is stop I can click without any leg pressure to ask for the walk. A second click gets him into the running walk. A kiss gets him into the canter.

    Consistency is the key.
         
        09-13-2013, 05:14 PM
      #18
    Foal
    Be very careful when using a crop, whip, reins, and spurs. They have their place, but you still need to be careful. Have you tried redirecting her feet? That may help to. It may be something where you need to go back to the basics. Work on your groundwork, and get that respect and forward motion back. She needs to go willingly- it is a matter of training. Those other tools are aids only. Not are not meant to be depended on. Because if you make the mistake of only using those tools, yes she may go that one time, but what about the next time and the time after that? But if you take the time to backtrack a little bit, she will always listen. Horses are quick learners- she will know when you have the aid and when you don't and she will take every advantage of it. You have to get your horse to respect you on the ground, then she will eagerly obey you when you are on her back. Your horse should be willing, not forced.

    She should only have one chance to react. Either do it right the first time, or learn the harder way. You should decide on one cue. Either squeeze, kiss, or whatever. Do it one time. If she does not react, then make her go. It should not take 5 different moves to get your horse to move her feet. That is to many chances. She should obey on the first command, not the 5th. It shouldn't take her that long to decide what to do. While training, this is okay, because the horse really does not know. With this horse, she knows what she is doing.

    I have had this same situation with many problem horses I have rode. The best fix- go back to where the problem started, not just a quick fix. And stay consistent. Good luck with her!
         
        09-17-2013, 08:26 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Thank you all for your help! We have greatly improved over the last month or two. After a few two many explosions, she now moves off only voice cues, and if she bucks or crow-hops I keep her moving forward with a kick. She likes circles so that doesn't work :)

    We have improved soooooo much! It's amazing. She does become a brat when she's in season, but other than that she's an angel. It makes it so much better that I trained her this way. I've never trained a horse before but she turned out amazing. It was fun even with all the falling off :)

    I hardly ever kick to get her to move off, all she needs is a kiss.
         

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