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post #21 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 10:37 AM
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When you are flapping hard enough that you are levitating above the saddle, it is slamming the horse in the back when you come down, which will throw them off balance and in the end, slow them down, not speed them up. Not to mention, what about when you are legs straight out, butt half a foot off the saddle and the horse decides to spook, or any other unanticipated movement? Not a very secure seat when you aren't even touching the saddle, and you WILL take a dive. Correlation between rubber banding feet into stirrups and that crazy flapping? Well, yeah, because flapping that hard and keeping your stirrups is a nearly impossible feat. So basically, I'm saying kicking yes, a little flapping in a controlled way, okay maybe. But that god-awful plane taking off, little kid in a bouncy house flapping? No way.

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post #22 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ropinbiker View Post
You "can" teach some horses to run faster...but, if it was the best way to get a horse to always run faster, then wouldn't ALL jockeys(since everyone always likes to say...look at jockeys, they NEVER kick/flap/whatever...) NEVER carry a whip to get their highly trained racehorse to run faster? It seems, that in most cases, horses usually respond better with some "motivation" to run...like a whip, leg kicking/flapping/the rope when roping, over-under, etc.

Everyone likes to claim a jockey's seat is the best "running" seat, well, how many jockeys can ride out a bucking/balking horse, or one that suddenly stops, or even one that takes a quick jump to the side, or one that stops turns around a barrel and then bursts into a full gallop...not many, if any can stay on...ever see a jockey stop a horse quickly? it's because with the positon they ride in they can't, or they would flip over the horses neck...it happens all the time when a running horse slows quickly.

To compare a jockey seat to any rodeo even seat it very wrong indeed...I don't flap when roping/riding, but i do give a good "kick" with my calf and lower leg on occasion.

That said, some of the "flapping" and bouncing around is way overboard.
A jockeys position may be the best running seat. Emphasis on running. They don't need that position for bucking or hard stopping, its like apples and oranges.
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post #23 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 04:22 PM
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my point exactly...you can't compare or use a jockey seat as an "example" of what to do during a rodeo event.
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post #24 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 04:56 PM
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IMHO, there's a huge difference in "encouraging" and "flapping".

A lot of the better barrel racers will "encourage" their horses by bumping with every stride. Some horses might need that, others don't. (Note that I say bumping, not kicking)

I agree though that if the girls legs are flapping so far that she can't keep her butt in the saddle without hanging on to the horn, then she's 9 miles of wrong.

Every time I see a rider riding like the one that Beau posted or like one of these, I just keep wishing for the horse to give a big old buck and launch them like the ducks they're trying to be.
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post #25 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 05:02 PM
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I'm not even sure my body can DO that ^^^
Unless... its probably happened if I'm about to get bucked off and its that "oh sh**" moment when you realize you are too far out of the saddle to save yourself lol

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post #26 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 05:03 PM
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ZOMG!!! People actually go that far??? Wouldn't an over and under be more useful.....oh that's right they'd have to let go of the horn to do that....right
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post #27 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 05:06 PM
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I dunno...
When Squiggy starts running a pattern I have a feeling I want as much of my seat in contact with her as possible because roughout might save my life lol yay for free runners
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post #28 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 05:48 PM
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What a testimony to those horses good nature though! How forgiving!

I've got the most "mare-ish" gelding to ever exist as if I tried anything like that....well, id be posting from a hospital bed.

In my experience, quirts and over unders work far better than flapping like that. I might give a stirrup flap or two, leaving the third, but I never kick or push myself off balance at all.
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post #29 of 32 Old 08-22-2013, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by smrobs View Post
...Every time I see a rider riding like the one that Beau posted or like one of these, I just keep wishing for the horse to give a big old buck and launch them like the ducks they're trying to be.
smrobs, the male in me wants to crawl under the bed and hide when I see those pictures. What comes up must come down. I'm 55 with NO desire for any more kids, but still...

I think I'll go dig out an 'athletic supporter', curl up into a fetal position on my chair and think about practicing my 'half-seat' until the bad images go away! With as much time as I spend surfing the net, I need one of these:

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post #30 of 32 Old 08-23-2013, 12:58 AM
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Smrobs, that encouraging is exactly what I'm talking about, you just explained it better I think. I don't think I'm even capable of kicking or flapping that hard if I tried...The reiner in me still says "Get that butt down!"
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Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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