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post #1 of 15 Old 10-13-2011, 07:35 AM Thread Starter
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Pole horse and pressure

I am a Brit and a jobbing cameraman. Whenever I am working abroad I take my camera to rodeos (filmed in Canada, New Zealand and the US) and have loved every minute.

I have been a horse owner since I was seven and I really enjoy watching great horses.

I love watching and filming the poles and barrels because you get some great horses and some astonishing riders.

I was filming at a high school rodeo in Kansas - some lovely riders and beautiful horses.

The best little pole I have ever seen was this one

It is the first film at the top of this page

07 Poles – high school « If you like horses

I did put the film on youtube and some people said that the rider was putting too much pressure on the horse....

The dialogue degraded into a general slanging match between western and European riders.

I personally don't think the horse was taking any harm - every day I see traditional riders in the UK applying far more pressure to their horses - hanging on their mouths and wacking away with their riding crops

But would the horse perform as well without the pressure

Just curious

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I've never watched rodeos or other other Western events so I haven't a clue about what's considered "normal" and acceptable, but the one thing which struck me in those videos was the amount of flailing and flapping done by those riders. It just made me think, "Really? Is your horse so unresponsive to your leg that you have to flap around like a chicken trying to take off to get it to gallop?"

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It does seem a bit much to me, really, and this is coming from a former pole bender who loves the sport. It's the excessive use of whip and leg on the intial race down that first caught my attention. Kicking like that only pisses the horse off and slows it down, and whipping that frantically is just ridiculous.

Then look at the video still. I can't tell if that's a mechanical hackamore or a really long-shanked combination bit, but either way, she's ripping his face off with it, and has a harsh, thin tie-down pressing on his nose, besides.

It's nothing but jerk-jerk-jerk and whip-whip-whip the whole way through. No wonder he's humping around the end poles and looking so rough. And if I'm not mistaken, she's actually driving the rowels of her spurs, and not just her calves, into him with that much force.

Very poor horsemanship, indeed--I'll pass.
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It does seem a bit much to me, really, and this end poles and looking so rough. And if I'm not mistaken, she's actually driving the rowels of her spurs, and not just her calves, into him with that much force.

Very poor horsemanship, indeed--I'll pass.

But would the horse put in as good a time with less pressure

This was filmed a few years ago now and I understand the mare is no longer with us so it is all a bit academic

I did watch the mare before and after the event and she seemed utterly unstressed by the run

This was filmed at the high school finals in Kansas so these were the fastest girls in the state

And the technique does produce results

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I also think the observation "There are worse riders in the UK!" is completely irrelevant to asking whether or not those riders in those events are excessively smacking and yanking their horses around.
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but would the horse put in as good a time with less pressure

This was filmed a few years ago now and I understand the mare is no longer with us so it is all a bit academic

I did watch the mare before and after the event and she seemed utterly unstressed by the run

This was filmed at the high school finals in Kansas so these were the fastest girls in the state

And the technique does produce results

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It certainly produces endless riders and trainers who think flailing about manically on your horse is the best way to get it to run around some poles!
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I also think the observation "There are worse riders in the UK!" is completely irrelevant to asking whether or not those riders in those events are excessively smacking and yanking their horses around.

I do apologise if I have upset you

I was merely trying to avoid an english v western slanging match

But thank you for you input

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I'm not upset. :) I was merely pointing that if you are trying to defend this particular style of riding, a claim that there are some riders who suck in a country 8000 miles away, while true, has absolutely no bearing on that video.
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I'm not upset. :) I was merely pointing that if you are trying to defend this particular style of riding, a claim that there are some riders who suck in a country 8000 miles away, while true, has absolutely no bearing on that video.
I do apologise

So sorry to upset you again

I was trying to get some feedback from some experienced western pole riders

I am not defending anything.

Although I do think the horse is amazingly talented and it produced the fastest time of the day

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It does seem a bit much to me, really, and this is coming from a former pole bender who loves the sport. It's the excessive use of whip and leg on the intial race down that first caught my attention. Kicking like that only pisses the horse off and slows it down, and whipping that frantically is just ridiculous.
Very true, my little paint horse that I rode growing up would routinely beat out the big bad QHs (in a time when paints were very much looked down upon). But ONLY if I didn't flail and whip! Use a whip and he'd shut down and buck!
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