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post #111 of 124 Old 02-19-2013, 11:13 PM
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bsms, you might like to read the book by Dr. Deb Bennet called "The Conquerers". It's a very lengthy description of the history of the riding style that eventually evolved down into what is the styles that we might now call that of the California Vaqueros. She talks about all styles of riding (in the Western world) and how the kind of branched out from two main saddle types; Brida and Jinetta. One being for jousting type riding, used by heavily armored knights who needed a great deal of security in the saddle, and the other for warriors who were archers, and needed to be able to move freely in the saddle.


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^^ Thanks.

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I havne't been able to wade through it all. Just more detail than I really want.
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bsms, you might like to read the book by Dr. Deb Bennet called "The Conquerers". It's a very lengthy description of the history of the riding style that eventually evolved down into what is the styles that we might now call that of the California Vaqueros. She talks about all styles of riding (in the Western world) and how the kind of branched out from two main saddle types; Brida and Jinetta. One being for jousting type riding, used by heavily armored knights who needed a great deal of security in the saddle, and the other for warriors who were archers, and needed to be able to move freely in the saddle.


Conquerors: The Roots of New World Horsemanship - Deb Bennett - Google Books
I think I will have to read that.... thanks for the suggestion!

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OK, we can go back and forth to show different positions all day long. Bareback is a totally different subject (as in Greek friezes). However, even the cavalry recruitment posters showed Correct vs "Expedient".

It really doesn't matter. I don't consider your seat to be a very extreme example of a chair seat. I see a person protecting pieces and parts, more than anything.

As I stated earlier, many people use stirrup lengths that are so long it is very difficult to keep the leg back. You photos above also show people "reaching" for the stirrups as do some of mine. That stirrup length is not what many people do (or should) use today, IMO.

Spending LONG days in the saddle does encourage one to ride back on their bum. That does not mean it is better for the horse.
Just have to ask since I have been trying to "fix" my position...

I have been doing some riding bareback because I thought that I would not have anything to hold me in/out of position. I would be forced to balance correctly in order to ride effectively.
Do you think that is a good way to self-medicate for a lack of a better term?

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I think there are many balance issues that can be improved by bareback riding. Heck, it is just good fun, too. However, I don't necessarily consider it a good way to fix bad equitation. It can still allow a great chair seat and knee grab (which can be a bad habit). It does teach you to center your balance, though.

I like a good leg/seat position, as I believe it can allow for a much clearer and crisper communication with the leg and seat. A poor position with an emphasis on sitting back on the bum doesn't allow the flexibility of the lower back to be used or developed. That is crucial for creating a deep seat, IMO.

However, if the bulk of your leg aid is to kick when you want to go, with little else needed, any seat is just fine.

Have I ever used a chair seat? You bet! When I am on my tenth or eleventh hour in the saddle, my butt has explored every possible position it can find! LOL!
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I drew lines over a whole bunch of pictures of me...
I wish I had more images of me actually doing something, but it's hard to have someone to take pictures when everyone is on horseback working as well.







And other pictures I have are at an angle, so I can't really draw lines on them that make sense

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Your alignment is very good!
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Your alignment is very good!
In which picture?

I would say one is good and two are off?
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Now I'm tempted to go draw lines on all my pictures. lol.

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The second one is deffs off, but it shows the line from elbow to bit. The first one isn't bad.

But, if you look, I'm in two different saddles.

The second saddle is a rope saddle and it sets my feet forward like that. In every picture I have of me in that saddle, my feet are ahead of that shoulder/hip/heel line and it's aggravating!

But, in my barrel saddle, my leg comes under me.

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