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        02-19-2013, 01:13 PM
      #51
    Trained
    I love the arrogance of the modern recreational rider.

    1 - Cowboy or Cavalry, you could go thru 1000 photos before finding someone who DIDN'T ride that was. You can't claim that those pictures are of idiots, unless you assume every professional rider in that day was an idiot.

    2 - The cavalry regularly covered 40 miles/day, 3-4 days in a row, and had to arrive with their horses fresh enough to charge into battle - where losing meant you died. The cowboys of that day didn't have anyone to call on their cell phone for a medivac. They covered a lot of miles - a lot more than the vast majority of recreational riders.

    Yet they weren't TRUE western riders. True western riding was only discovered in the 70s, when people started spending more time riding in arenas than at work.

    Mind you, I am not criticizing anyone who wants to ride with shoulder - hip - heel in a vertical line. They can if they want. WP isn't my thing, but I figure if they are happy, then I'll be happy for them. But below are two pictures, both previously posted on this thread. Which of the two is WORKING on their horse? I'm willing to call BOTH OF THEM real western riders...but if you could only choose one, which would you choose?





    If you tell me the top one...OK. But I'm not buying it.

    The forward seat became prevalent in jumping about the time that jumping became a competition. Before that, it was mostly something you did sometimes going from A to B. In much of the western US, jumping a 5 foot fence isn't very smart. It would be a good way to kill your horse.

    However, a forward seat has always been used for racing. There are statues of Greeks 400 BC using a forward seat - when racing.

    But if you want to tell me that the US Cavalry & all the cowboys of 1860 to the modern era were incompetent riders...I ain't buying that either. I don't believe that REAL riding developed about the same time most riders began riding recreationally instead of purposefully.

    If y'all want to attack anyone who rides like this:



    I cannot stop you. After all, if someone can look at an English saddle and a western one, and not notice any difference...well, they're beyond any advice I can give! And let's face it: Craig Cameron sucks at riding. He's just another idiot...

         
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        02-19-2013, 01:17 PM
      #52
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    BSMS you are almost comparing apples to oranges when you bring up photos of cowboys...A reiner won't look exactly like a horsemanship rider but more like a cutting horse rider...

    If you look back at MHF's photo, her seat position is different because she is riding a working ranch horse. The needs and the movements are different...
    Thank you for agreeing with me. The cowboys, or cavalry, of the late 1800s had a different need. And thus, they used a different approach.

    If you look thru this thread, my point has repeatedly been that THERE IS NO ONE WAY TO RIDE WESTERN. It depends on the saddle, on the horse, on the activity and what you want to do. My objection is to those who say everyone needs to ride like a WP rider! Or a dressage rider...
         
        02-19-2013, 01:17 PM
      #53
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    I really hope she heals enough to show professionally again... :(
    I know. I was gutted when I found out what happened. I have always looked up to her as my eventing idol. Such a freak accident too. Thankfully Veronica wasn't injured, but this whole thing is what made me decided to switch to a beta 3 vest. Never going to take a risk with the tipperary again.
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        02-19-2013, 01:20 PM
      #54
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    Bsms did you even look at that video? It explains full out why the riders leg forward is so bad for the horses back.

    I find it complete ignorance on your behalf if you watch that video and say its full of baloney. Fact is fact. Rising trot with your leg forward damages you horses back. I bet you if the chiro came saw your horse you would find out the horses back is a bit of a mess from rising trot with forward leg.
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        02-19-2013, 01:30 PM
      #55
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    Originally Posted by NBEventer    
    bsms... Rising trot with your leg forward damages you horses back. I bet you if the chiro came saw your horse you would find out the horses back is a bit of a mess from rising trot with forward leg.
    That style of riding doesn't USE a rising trot. If you don't understand that, then you aren't informed enough to offer an opinion on that style.

    And unless you've visited my home lately, and met my horses, please keep them out of this - although they happen to be doing just fine, thank you.
         
        02-19-2013, 01:37 PM
      #56
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    That style of riding doesn't USE a rising trot. If you don't understand that, then you aren't informed enough to offer an opinion on that style.

    And unless you've visited my home lately, and met my horses, please keep them out of this - although they happen to be doing just fine, thank you.
    The OP actually asked the best way to do rising trot. And I have been riding english AND western for over 20 years, coaching both as well. So I have a pretty darn good idea of how positioning works and its function with a horse.

    Also sitting trot with your legs to far forward can do the same as it would in rising as you are not absorbing the energy properly and it causes you to "thump" and brace which damages the horses back. You talk about how snarly your mare can be. So I thought I would point this out as there is a good chance it could be related to this very issue

    My mare was really sore and snarly when I first started riding her again after being away for a few years. The girl who used to ride her always had her leg pitched to far forward, the chiro checked her back and the first question she asked was if the rider has their leg to far forward. Bratty Mare still has snarly moments and 9 times out of 10 its because my position is slightly off. She has a custom saddle so its not saddle fit. Its because of my position, which as time has gone on I have gotten much better about and she is less snarly.
         
        02-19-2013, 01:58 PM
      #57
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    Originally Posted by NBEventer    
    ...Also sitting trot with your legs to far forward can do the same as it would in rising as you are not absorbing the energy properly and it causes you to "thump" and brace which damages the horses back. You talk about how snarly your mare can be. So I thought I would point this out as there is a good chance it could be related to this very issue
    1 - Again, watch the video. That style of riding assumes a flexible and active back. That style of riding does NOT just stay there stiff and bounce. And that is actually one of the ADVANTAGES of that style - it makes it easier and more intuitive to follow the horse's movement with your own. Shoulder - hip - heel in a vertical line encourages bouncing, because the backbone doesn't compress. The exception would be, for example, a well trained dressage rider, who can do things my body cannot.

    2 - I don't even know what 'snarly' means. My mare will do the OMG Crouch regularly, and sometimes jumps an invisible fence, but she does those at a walk. When we JOG, and my feet go a bit forward...she relaxes:

         
        02-19-2013, 02:25 PM
      #58
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    I love the arrogance of the modern recreational rider.
    This offends me greatly. I am not a recreational rider. I get paid to ride horses for clients, I get paid to show for clients and I get paid to coach clients. Within the next two years I will have my own training facility. I am a pro rider currently working my behind off to climb to the top and be riding in a 2 star event within the next 5 - 8 years. I have already had my moment in the grand prix ring with jumpers.

    There is nothing wrong with being a recreational rider. Heck I used to be. But I am not now. And I have earned the right to my arrogance as have others here through blood, sweat, tears, broken bones and shot nerves.

    Also one other thing, your arrogance? Its not earned yet, you are still VERY new to this game darling and you have much to learn. And proof of that. Western riders do use rising trot. Hate to break it to you. You are to rise trot in any warm up regardless of the saddle your behind is plunked in until your horses back is warmed up. Get with the times. Your pictures of cowboys from the 1800's and 1900's mean squat. Research has been done extensivly to help riders learn how to ride without injury or interference with the horse.
         
        02-19-2013, 02:34 PM
      #59
    Green Broke
    One other thing, to clarify. I might have "arrogance" but I also am well aware that I still have much to learn. Everyone always has more to learn. I am busting my behind to get the best equine education I can. I am going to be taking a nutrition course, I am looking into getting more education about breeding and I am ALWAYS wanting to learn more about training and coaching. I am far from the best, and I never will be. But that doesn't mean I can not have confidence in the education and information I have. Because I take pride in what I have busted my behind to learn. And I can't wait to learn more and more.

    Maybe you should swallow your pride and open your mind. You would be surprised in how much you don't know and still need to learn.
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        02-19-2013, 02:44 PM
      #60
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bsms    
    That style of riding doesn't USE a rising trot. If you don't understand that, then you aren't informed enough to offer an opinion on that style.

    And unless you've visited my home lately, and met my horses, please keep them out of this - although they happen to be doing just fine, thank you.
    BSMS, I must say that virtually every style of riding I've ever heard of, participated in or seen will at some level require a rising trot. It gets the rider of the horses back, is crucial to correct warming up........

    What style of riding are you talking about, because these are the styles I've ridden, and have always been instructed or just done a rising trot:

    Dressage
    Jumping (wasn't my thing)
    Hare hunting (NZ fox hunting) (was my thing.....TALLYHO!! )
    Track riding TBs
    Cow horse/penning
    Reining......
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