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post #71 of 124 Old 02-19-2013, 04:35 PM
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Umm... many top jumpers start out in the hunter ring. Hunters are not about being pretty. They are about being correct. You can't go blast around a jumper course safely without having those key buttons put on your horse. Stride control, even pace, correct spots etc. I have actually seen many riders get kicked out of the jumper ring because they were not safe.

All my event horses start out in the hunter ring. I want a horse that I can take out and know all the buttons for stride control and distance are there before I hit up a timed jumper class or take my horse out cross country.

And again, the reason position is so important is because it helps your horse perform to the best of its ability. Correct form is about keeping your horse happy and healthy.

I've ridden with a few jumper coaches that send horses to a dressage trainer before they even look at a pole. That dressage training is very helpful in the jumper ring. Those correct roll backs are hard to ride if the horse doesn't have the proper foundations on it.
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Everything should focus on dressage. Whether its reining or jumping. In my previous post, I agree with how reiner's legs need to be back.

I know the uses and effects of leg alignment. I'm just saying that when you have a job to do, the last thing on your mind is where you're leg is at. Leg position is ideal but I'm not going to take the long way around when I have to chase the hounds down because my leg slipped forward. I'm going over that fence because position is the last thing on my mind, and the hounds are first.

Its good to get back into the arena and work on your position. But when you have a job, there are more important things.

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I ride to be effective, and that means leg alignment. I could care less about being pretty. But effectiveness goes back to form, and (unfortunately) there are those who focus on the beauty contest aspect.
YES, the best of riders have their form down pat, unlike myself who has to think about my position the while time. So while it maybe true that the jumpers and foxhunters, the reiners and penners are thinking about the job in hand rather than looking pretty, I'm **** sure it's because their body is used to being in the correct alignment without them thinking about it. They may end up in a different position to suit the movement and the moment, but always they return to the classical balanced position.
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YES, the best of riders have their form down pat, unlike myself who has to think about my position the while time. So while it maybe true that the jumpers and foxhunters, the reiners and penners are thinking about the job in hand rather than looking pretty, I'm **** sure it's because their body is used to being in the correct alignment without them thinking about it. They may end up in a different position to suit the movement and the moment, but always they return to the classical balanced position.
This is what I meant by my above post.

Though some very effective riders will have their leg out infront of them. Professionals of that calibur don't post on forums though. I remember critqueing the crap out of professional riders and their positions until I got off my high horse and remembered who I was.

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The problem with pictures is because they are a split second. Not everybody looks perfect over a jump every single time, or when they are cutting cows and their horses from end just dropped down. Like my avatar makes me look like a ******. Like every other picture I have of me on a horse. I am sitting still and I really do not care but I cant ride slouched over like that or with my legs stretched out like that but it is comfy when I am sitting their waiting on other people.
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This is what I meant by my above post.

Though some very effective riders will have their leg out infront of them. Professionals of that calibur don't post on forums though. I remember critqueing the crap out of professional riders and their positions until I got off my high horse and remembered who I was.
Allison Finch is a pretty big name in the eventing and jumping world. Just saying...
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Allison Finch is a pretty big name in the eventing and jumping world. Just saying...
Uh, I dont watch eventing or jumping but she amazes me

I dont jump anything unless its on a trail. Im fine with a ditch or tree or large rocks whatever but I have never jumped anything but some square bales.

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post #78 of 124 Old 02-19-2013, 05:08 PM
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Bad riders? Or are those good FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING?

If their goal was jumping, I assume we all agree that they need some improvement. But as your goals change, so does your riding.

Here is evil bsms, from a couple of years ago:



Dang! Why is my heel so far back? Well, that is the way it works in that saddle, unless I want to fight gravity. Toe sticks out like I want to use it like a wing, though...

But I will sometimes put it forward. If I think my horse is likely to make a stop on its own initiative, or if I want to keep my horse facing forward and I use my legs like fences along the side, or if I want a relaxed jog instead of a fast trot.

Western riding covers a lot of ground, so to speak. There are a LOT of ways to do it. Balance is always balance IN MOTION, so the anticipated motion drives the position, and the position may need to change every 10 seconds. So what?

"...there are only two criteria of your position;
a) are you in fluid balance and rhythm with your horse or not?
b) does your seat enable you to control your horse efficiently?"
- V.S. Littauer
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JB, congrats to you for wanting to improve your seat because I know your ultimate goal is to be the best rider you can be for your endurance horse (at least that is how it is for most endurance people I know including myself) for the sake of his longevity and soundness for the next 5000 miles.

For endurance, because we do trot for endless amounts of time - one of the things I've always focused on was keeping my legs underneath me and keeping my calves on my horse so that if he spooks one way or another, I'll keep him under me. Keeping your upper body in that 'sweet' spot of not too forward and not too back, will keep you on during a buck and keep you on if your horse suddenly drops his head to look down and slams on the brakes for an invisible booger. My rear has to be light when posting - shouldn't have to press my feet very hard into my stirrups to get up out of the saddle.

If you get going on the trail at a good 7mph pace, and you feel balanced and can post effortlessly and lightly, you are probably aligned up correctly and don't even know it....have a friend ride along and snap a picture. i see the chair seat on people when they are sitting down or at a slow lope, but there is no way a person can do a chair seat at a big endurance trot without it beating the heck out of their butt and their horse's back. Just curious, are you sure you are in a chair seat when actually on the trail moving out?
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post #80 of 124 Old 02-19-2013, 07:01 PM
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OK...because my pic was used to compare what I do with my horse and what a cowboy does with his and what is effective....I WILL tell you that the cowboy I was compared to...WOULD NOT get a WP horse to perform and do it's job with a position like that! So the comparison can be made for BOTH my pic and his, my job and his.

So while my pic may not be effective in what that cowboy does....it sure is effective in what I do. And the position for the cowboy in what he does is effective, but it sure in heck isn't for what I do. SO, actually....it's a total wash between the two of us...neither one wins.
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