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        08-07-2013, 11:03 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    He does not ground tie, but I have time to work on that before then.

    I have NO idea what sort of water obstacle they are going to come up with. What sort of water obstacles have you guys seen?

    Oh, another question. I assume I should take my chinks off for the confo class?
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        08-07-2013, 11:20 PM
      #22
    Trained
    The only time I have had to do a water obstacle was at show that had a "real" trail course. The water was a small creek, lope over poles were actually oak tree branches etc...

    Since the pattern they are using is ND 4-H I am wondering if they are using all of the 4-H format. I would see if I could find a rulebook and class description. They usually tell you the "legal" options for the courses and see how they might set up a water obstacle. I would think it would be no more than a box lined with tarp filled with water but I could be wrong....

    ETA: So much depends on the association format they decide to follow, SHOT, ASHA, AQHA, APHA...they are all different. And yes. I would take your chinks off for the conformation class.
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        08-07-2013, 11:48 PM
      #23
    Started
    Oh oh I know!

    I WANT PICTURES.
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        08-08-2013, 02:30 AM
      #24
    Trained
    I was under the impression a simple change was a stop in the center, then pick up the other lead from the walk, and that an interrupted change was through the trot.

    That's how we do it at equestrian team anyway. I thought it was the other way around for awhile but one of the ex-judges from previous years told me otherwise this year.

    Good luck!
         
        08-08-2013, 10:56 PM
      #25
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
    I was under the impression a simple change was a stop in the center, then pick up the other lead from the walk, and that an interrupted change was through the trot.

    That's how we do it at equestrian team anyway. I thought it was the other way around for awhile but one of the ex-judges from previous years told me otherwise this year.

    Good luck!
    Oh, I thought a simple change was a transition to trot then back up to the lope in the new lead?
    Now I'm confused...doesn't take much...tee he
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        08-09-2013, 12:37 AM
      #26
    Trained
    I am honestly so confused about it too now.

    If what the judge told me was true, then why do so many people think it's through the trot? I mean, a "simple change" is so commonly thought of as that. People wouldn't just pull that out of thin air...

    I must have this question answered!
         
        08-23-2013, 11:37 AM
      #27
    Green Broke
    Couple more questions folks, before the competition in two days!

    I just watched these two videos I found on YouTube for examples.




    A few things I noticed that I have questions on:

    In the second video, she did not hold onto her reins for "control" of the horse when mounting. I'm guessing that you should hold onto the reins to exhibit you would have control of your horse while mouting?

    Neither of them ground tied their horse to pick up a hind foot. Does that matter at all for scoring purposes whether you ground tie or just leave the reins around the horse's neck? What would you prefer to see?

    In the first video, I noticed he has his reins crossed and on either side of the horse, rather than your traditional "showing" rein posture of having both reins ends fall on one side according to the hand you are holding the reins with. He also switched to two hands to cross the bridge in a shanked bit, and then back to one hand. Again, I am just going to assume normal showing rules apply and you should do things one-handed with the reins on one side of the horse.

    I noticed that both of them had to switch hands in order to do the various obstacles that were required. However, would it be proper to move your rein ends from side-to-side when you switch (like normal "showing" rules) or does it not matter for ranch horse?

    I know, I know, these are nit-picky questions. But I'm a detailed-orientated person and I like to do things right if I can find out the proper way to do things ahead of time. I'm super excited for Sunday! If I can find someone to take pictures or video for me, I will .
         
        08-23-2013, 12:32 PM
      #28
    Showing
    Now, you should remember to take all this with a grain of salt because I've never actually competed in a RHC and, even if I had, the rules may vary from place to place.

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    Originally Posted by beau159    
    In the second video, she did not hold onto her reins for "control" of the horse when mounting. I'm guessing that you should hold onto the reins to exhibit you would have control of your horse while mounting?

    I would count against her for doing that even if it weren't against the rules. Even if your horse is broke, IMHO, it's just bad horsemanship to not have a hand on the reins when you're mounting. After all, you can never 100% trust a horse, no matter how broke, and to be completely without some level of control (even if they don't believe it's needed) is a bad choice IMHO. Have I done it? Yep, but it's not something that I would do in a competition.

    Neither of them ground tied their horse to pick up a hind foot. Does that matter at all for scoring purposes whether you ground tie or just leave the reins around the horse's neck? What would you prefer to see?

    To me, ground tying just means that the horse will stand still while you walk away, regardless of whether there is a rein on the ground or not. I normally drop a rein just because I ride the traditional way with both rein tails on the left. It's easier to just drop one than it is to cross it over the neck. However, if I'm riding with the reins crossed over, then it's easier to leave them on the neck.

    In the first video, I noticed he has his reins crossed and on either side of the horse, rather than your traditional "showing" rein posture of having both reins ends fall on one side according to the hand you are holding the reins with. He also switched to two hands to cross the bridge in a shanked bit, and then back to one hand. Again, I am just going to assume normal showing rules apply and you should do things one-handed with the reins on one side of the horse.

    On that first horse, I would guess that the horse is still relatively green, judging by the way he handles and rides (and if he's not......wow). That would explain the rider riding with the reins crossed over and using 2 reins for the bridge crossing, even in a curb bit. I would probably count against him for using 2 hands because it shows that his horse is lacking training. As far as having the reins crossed over or on the same side, IMHO, that's a personal preference.

    I noticed that both of them had to switch hands in order to do the various obstacles that were required. However, would it be proper to move your rein ends from side-to-side when you switch (like normal "showing" rules) or does it not matter for ranch horse?

    This is where I would be unsure of the rules, but common sense says to me that it's fine to leave the tails on the same side, even when you are switching hands. Ranch horses are normally ridden with a left hand and any time a rider switches to the right, it's normally just for a short time and then they switch back to the left. I don't bother with switching the tails when I ride, I always have them on the left.

    I know, I know, these are nit-picky questions. But I'm a detailed-orientated person and I like to do things right if I can find out the proper way to do things ahead of time. I'm super excited for Sunday! If I can find someone to take pictures or video for me, I will .
    Nothing nit-picky about it, you just want to be prepared and do the best job you can .

    I hope you can find someone for pictures/video. I'd love to watch it.

    Good luck!!!
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        08-23-2013, 12:51 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    Thanks smrobs. My thoughts agree with yours.

    Just wondered what others thought about those "little" things.
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        08-25-2013, 07:46 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
    Well the ranch horse competition was today. I just got home and it is 96 degrees outside right now, so it was a tad bit hot!!!

    Overall, we did not do as good as I know we could have. So I'm kinda dissapointed about that.


    I took 8th out of 16 riders. I was able to look at the two judge's sheets afterward, so I could give myself feedback on what I could improve on. The one judge just had scores; the other judge had a couple random notes.

    The first obstacle was the gate. Normally, Red handles the gate like a champ. Today he almost did. When we came around it to close it, he stepped away from it (which he never does!!). I had to let go of the gate for a split second, to quit leaning and get him over again. I was really mad at myself for that happening, but other than that little slip, he handled it perfectly. One of the judges gave us a 9 out of 10. The other judge gave us a 7 out of 10, which seems a bit harsh to me. I don't know the exact points that are deducted for when you let go of the gate once, but I feel like 3 points was way too large of a penalty, considering how nice he did the rest of the gate.

    Next obstacle was walking over 4 natural logs. Red went right over with no hesitation. Now, I wasn't really paying attention but I am sure he dinged a log or two. One judge gave us a 10 out of 10. The other judge, I can't quite remember, but I think a couple points were docked for knicked logs (they had written down we knicked 3 times). I'm sure he did knick them, so I'm fine with that.

    Next obstacle was dragging a log. I have my butterfingers to thank for that.
    I knew that you didn't want the log dragging too close to you, or too far back. So I kinda picked a spot in the rope where it would work. I asked him to start going and I realized it was too close, so I was just going to let a bit of it out, and my whole dally came off instead. So I fumbled to get it back on. I can't remember exactly what the judged scored me on that, but I did get docked (my own fault on that). But one judge did write in their comments that my rope was dragging on the ground. I guess I've never done this before, so I didn't know that would lose me points. I will have to make sure to hold the extra rope next time.

    Next obstacle was the bridge. My horse Red would NOT cross it. I was mad at him for that one afterward, because there is NO reason he should have refused it. He's always walked across the bridge at other places. We had to take a zero.


    Next was picking up a bucket from a barrel, and then brining it back. It was a small bucket, and Red did perfectly as I asked. One judge gave me a 10 out of 10. The other judge gave me a 7 out of 10 because I didn't use the handle. ?????? I guess I didn't think nothing of it, because the pattern didn't give any specifics on anything. Another thing I guess I just have to learn the hard way because I haven't done this before.

    Next was the water obstacle. I already knew he wouldn't come anywhere near that thing, so I guess I was fine with missing that one. Out of the 16 adult competitors, only 2 horses crossed the water obstacle (with hesitation).

    Next was roping the dummy. And I CAUGHT IT on the first throw! I couldn't believe it! So I guess that's one thing that went right!! I think only maybe 5 or 6 people got it on the first throw.

    Next was the reining pattern. It went pretty good for the most part, except that my horse picked up the wrong lead for the last lead change (we just stuck with simple, because he usually cross fires for flying). He's been doing that to me lately hear and there, so I need to figure out what his problem is (or what my problem is).

    Then you rode over to the trailer to dismount and drop your bridle. That went fine.

    Then pick up all 4 feet. I got the front left, back left, and went behind him to do the back right, and that little stinker started walking off!!!! I've practiced doing that SO many times over the past weeks, that I'm mad he did it. But he stopped after a couple steps, and then I finished picking up his feet. One judge gave me a 7 out of 10 for that. I guess, he did start walking (although he picked up all his feet really nice.) The other judge gave me a 4 out of 10. Harsh!!!! There was also a comment on their sheet something about my reins. ???? I just had them crossed over his neck. I had them that way for better "control" of my horse while dropping the bit and I just left them. Maybe they thought I was supposed to ground tie them? Either way, I thought 4 out of 10 was way too low of a score.

    Then it was time to load.
    I suspected this was potentially going to be an issue. When I bought Red last year, he had some serious trailer loading issues. They've been resolved, and all I have to do is point, and he hops right into my slant load trailer. But of course, I only ever have him load into MY trailer. I wasn't sure how he was going to respond going into a dark stock trailer. I tried to send him on like I normally do, and he **almost** went on, but didn't. Then I thought I would try to twirl my rein at his hip, like I did when I taught him to load. That didn't work. So then I thought I would try to lead him on, which he NEVER leads on the trailer. At that point in time, they called for the 10 minute time limit. (10 minutes was really NOT enough time to do this course. Most people went over tiem). But right after that he did hop up! So stupid me should have tried to lead him on in the first place. We got a zero for that, because it was after the time allowance.

    So I was really really thinking it was going to go better than it did. I don't care so much about our placing; just that I know we could have done much better.

    Darn me for being such a perfectionist. I'm feeling better about it now, but I always set such high expectations for myself and I get mad when we don't follow through. **sigh** oh well. It was a good learning experience.
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