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    04-03-2010, 08:38 AM
  #1
Yearling
Reining

I ride in the jumpers so I don't know anything really about reining, besides the odd reiner I have been thrown up on for the experience.
I did once ride a very, very impressive reining stallion which was AWESOME, I loved it.
I was wondering if someone could explain to me how reiners are trained to do their sliding stops? I know they wear special shoes, but what about the training? Also, what about the spins? Thanks!
     
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    04-03-2010, 01:04 PM
  #2
Foal
Check out horsetrainingvideos.com it is the home to Larry Trocha who is an incredible reining and cutting trainer. He has a few short free videos to watch on his website and articles written by him. He also has a youtube channel, YouTube - ltrocha's Channel He is able to teach the spin better than anyone I have found.
     
    04-03-2010, 07:38 PM
  #3
Weanling
A lot of the stop is a natural thing for the horse to do.

For example, we teach the stop the same on my Hunter Under Saddle horse as we do on the reiners, but the HUS horse will never do a sliding stop (he may if we put shoes on him and really got into him, but its likely we woudl destory his legs in the process because he isn't built for it)

Breeding, conformation and "Want" are the important things to have, to really achieve thos 20foot+ deep stops (you can do it at a lower level without having some of those things).

We start teaching "Whoa" right from the beginning. The young ones aren't expected to do a sliding stop, but right from the beginning we encourage stopping with their hind end under them. So we say whoa, take out legs off a little bit, and then come in with our hands (on the young ones since they have no idea that just taking the legs off means soething). Then you back almost everytime, at least we do.

Combine that with having a supple horse that can engage their hind end, move their body around, then you just start building that stop up. You put baby sliders on and start repeating the process, and you build from there. A lot of the "slide" will come natural if they are started right.

It's a lot more complicated then I said, but that's about the basics, there are little things you kind of have to feel for (ie. A horse dumping on their front it, bulging their belly here or there, etc) and when you feel these you have to change it up.
     
    04-04-2010, 09:06 AM
  #4
Yearling
Thanks!
     
    04-06-2010, 12:20 AM
  #5
Trained
Hmm....good question. I've seen a lot of differant methods. I've never actually trained a reiner myself so I'm not sure I'm saying this right...

Toni is the best reining horse jockey and trainer in my area...besides Todd Bergen. She's amazzing and I'm going to start shadowing her this summer with my new gelding to learn to train.

I do believe that a lot of it is natural, just sort of stopping from the lope, ya know? I've also seen a lot of riders running up to a fence and stopping. Granted I can see that going wrong in so many ways, but it does force a hard stop.

Never trained em'.....just ridden em' xD
     
    04-06-2010, 12:25 AM
  #6
Green Broke
Ive heard of some people that run their horse into the aren wall to get them to stop asap when they start galloping at the wall.... theres a few crazy people in every discipline I guess.......
     
    04-06-2010, 05:20 AM
  #7
Foal
Hi Ridergirl, I think what you are trying to describe is a training technique called "Fencing", although the idea is to have the horse stop BEFORE the wall :)
     
    04-06-2010, 06:42 AM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Flex Horse    
Hi Ridergirl, I think what you are trying to describe is a training technique called "Fencing", although the idea is to have the horse stop BEFORE the wall :)
Flex, I'm not a reiner but why would anyone use this method? It sounds ridiculous. What if the horse doesn't stop? What if it continues into the wall and seriously injures itself? It seems like quite a big risk to be taking with reiners because I know that there is quite a lot of money in some reining horses.

BTW, is this the flex horse trainer/owner David Manchon? :)
     
    04-06-2010, 10:35 AM
  #9
Weanling
Fencing is a very very beneficial technique when used correctly. It's not about running full speed at a wall and praying the horse stops. It's about building a rundown properly and "allowing" the horse to stop just before the wall. A good horse will stop.

Horses aren't that stupid, they won't just run full on into a wall if you have them set up and ready to move up to fencing. I'd say that if you have a reiner that doesn't want to stop before the wall, you have a reiner that is not only slightly dangerous but really doesn't want to be a reiner.

I have never had a horse full on run into the wall. I had a horse who decided to wake up and stop to late and slid into the wall a little bit, no harm, the horse turned around and stopped the best he ever had.

The way the horse gets hurt is when someone who doesn't have a clue what they are doing, on a horse that doesn't have a clue was stopping is. That's when things get dangerous.

Let me sum it up a little bit:

Fencing = good, when you know what you're doing and on a horse that understands what "whoa" is
Fencing = bad, when you have no clue how you are supposed to do it (its not about running full speed at a wall), or your horse doesn't have a good "Whoa" on it.

Fencing isn't something I'd do on a horse that isn't a reiner, its something I do on a horse that knows how to slide at least a little bit.

I hope I explained myself well. Basically fencing isn't something you just do on any horse or any rider. Done properly its helpful and safe.

Edited to Add:
I like to use stopping off the wall as a "reward" this way they like it. When my horse start anticipating the stop I'll immediately drive to the wall. Helps me get rid of the anticipation in stopping and getting a horse that stops to early.
     
    04-06-2010, 11:45 AM
  #10
Trained
Fencing does NOT teach a horse to stop. It is used for several reasons. One of the big reasons it keeping the horse from scotching. You WANT the horse thinking they are going to run to the wall. It also teaches them to brake in 1/2 and really get under them selves. However this is done once the horse already has a good solid stop on them.

Trying to explain how to teach a stop or turn in a post or even several is next to impossible. One a true reiner is bred to do it. They do it naturally. I never had to teach a horse to stop. I only have refined it and put a cue to it. They want to stop and do it with their rears tucked.

The turn starts again with breeding. However past that you MUST first have control over every aspect of your horses body. If you can not get them to move their rear shoulder mid section with the slightest of cue then you are not going to be able to get a good turn. The horse really needs to have a good quick side pass also. As that is one of the ways you teach and refine the turn. If you can not do these things then that is where you need to start.
     

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