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post #1 of 15 Old 07-07-2011, 06:45 AM Thread Starter
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Riding western...reining english?

So I am sitting here watching Craig Cameron. More often than I would like to see he reins english and has his demonstrators doing the same.

Is neck reining out of style or something??? Is he trying to make western riding more appealing to the english riding group?

Who wants both their hands tied up while riding? Honestly, these shows are getting silly. He had one gal riding with her hands on the reins almost up to the horses ears.

It is driving me nuts. Just went over and turned him off!!
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post #2 of 15 Old 07-07-2011, 09:29 AM
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Well, I ride western but rein...not English, but using two hands much of the time.

To me, reining English means riding with constant contact. I don't do that. However, I do use both hands and a snaffle bit. I own no cattle, don't plan on roping anytime soon, and both horses are a bit spooky. One knows how to neck rein, the other doesn't. I could train the second, but why?
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When I was first learning to ride I found it easier to not hold onto the saddle horn if both hands were engaged on the reins. Now I prefer to ride with two hands (my dad always called it plow reining), but he neck reins beautifully as well which for me is useful on the trail if I'm putzing around in my saddle bags for something. We're well on our way to being able to drop the reins for extended periods of time and simply using leg and seat communication. I think a horse than can plow rein or neck rein and is comfortable and pleasant with both is pretty handy.

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The only time I ride in a curb and one hand is at the WP shows! The rest of the time I ride with a snaffle and two hands.
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Not having seen it myself, I would wonder if he\they were on green horses. If they were training youngsters that would explain riding 2 handed western. Have to start with 2 to teach neck reining.
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Who wants both their hands tied up while riding? Honestly, these shows are getting silly. He had one gal riding with her hands on the reins almost up to the horses ears.
What do you mean 'hands tied up while riding?'

I ride two handed all the time. Much easier to pick up a shoulder or isolate the hip.
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What do you mean 'hands tied up while riding?'
I take it to mean that she prefers to have one hand free rather then both hands on the reins.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

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post #8 of 15 Old 07-07-2011, 11:27 AM Thread Starter
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What do you mean 'hands tied up while riding?'

I ride two handed all the time. Much easier to pick up a shoulder or isolate the hip.
Well, to swat a sweat fly on the horses neck, to grab a drink, adjust my helmet, scratch an itch, point to something.... to do a multitude of things. I don't fancy having to keep putting the reins back into one hand that much. Find it unnecessary at least in our style of riding. In fact, we turned down a mare that did not neck rein.

I guess I am of the old way then. It just looks funny to me. We are not that worried about picking up a shoulder or isolate a hip? Our horse goes fine and we just ride the fields and woods. We are not showers. We just enjoy riding.
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You cannot train a horse to neckrein without straight reining, so your disdain of it seems a little silly and naive. Passed a horse because she couldn't neckrein? You can't train her yourself?

Horses aren't born finished, someone has to put the work into them. To have a finished horse that TRULY neckreins with nothing but a touch of the reins takes a lot of work. And until that point, attempting to teach complicated maneuvers by neckreining just isn't going to happen.

Just because you don't have a need to teach your horses anything higher, doesn't mean you need to trash or get so het up about trainers who DO need their horses to know more then walking in a straight line.

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Find it unnecessary at least in our style of riding.
Exactly. In YOUR style of riding. Other people ride different styles. Reining is not trail riding.

I believe (although not 100% certain) that most of the Green classes in Western, be it Pleasure or Reining, call for two hands on the reins.


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