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post #11 of 15 Old 07-07-2011, 02:39 PM Thread Starter
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Im not trashing anyone. It's just not the way I was taught. We worked at a stable where they were always telling the riders, put your reins together. The way I was brought up.

Being away from horses for over 40 years and to see what I was taught as English riding is now used western, its different.

And yes, we did pass on a horse that did not neck reign. But not just for that, there were other issues as well. Would not take a bit, and had a problematic hoof problem.

At the age we are at, we wanted and did find a finished horse that suits our needs.
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post #12 of 15 Old 07-07-2011, 05:22 PM
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Why does everything have to pigeon holed? Unless you are being judged at a show, why can't you ride the way that you are comfortable? I ride western in jeans and half chaps, english paddock boots and a snaffle bit. I do teach my horses to neck rein, but on the young ones I like two hands on the reins.

As for Craig Cameron, he often over-exaggerates things to make a point. He is big on teaching a horse through release, so when showing or teaching that point, he rides two handed with reins further up the neck, so that you can clearly see the contact vs the release. He also is usually working with green horses. He is not for everyone, but I try to take from him things that might work for me.
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I ride direct reining (one rein in each hand) in a western saddle. Most of the time, I hold the rein in one hand and only pick up one rein at a time with which ever hand is handy. If I don't need to use the rein, I drop it and just hold the rein in the middle , with slack. No need to keep both hands on all the time.
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It's not "English reining." It's direct/plow reining. And every horse should know how to do it. It's the fundamentals of breaking and teaching a horse to direct under saddle.

Watch any good trainer in any discipline, and I guarantee they will have moments where they need to switch to two hands to guide the horse. You have far more finesse with direct reining than neck reining.
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So I am sitting here watching Craig Cameron. More often than I would like to see he reins english and has his demonstrators doing the same.

Is neck reining out of style or something??? Is he trying to make western riding more appealing to the english riding group?

Who wants both their hands tied up while riding? Honestly, these shows are getting silly. He had one gal riding with her hands on the reins almost up to the horses ears.

It is driving me nuts. Just went over and turned him off!!
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Im not trashing anyone. It's just not the way I was taught. We worked at a stable where they were always telling the riders, put your reins together. The way I was brought up.

Being away from horses for over 40 years and to see what I was taught as English riding is now used western, its different.
I would most certainly call your original post "trashing". You didn't ask any constructive questions nor was the tone of your original post of a learning nature. And every one of your responses has been defensive and closed-minded. If you don't want to learn anything new, why do you bother to watch horse TV or come on this forum?

Instead you could have asked:
Why are more people using the English-style of reining? Am I calling that the correct term? (Which you aren't.....)
Is there a purpose to over-exagerating a direct rein? Is it different with a younger horse versus an older horse?
What is the benefit to direct reining?

ANY of these questions about what you saw on TV would have been fine, but instead you just rant about how you had to turn the TV off. Again --> trashing.

You say you follow the "old style of riding". So I assume you know of Tom and Bill Dorrance, Ray Hunt, Al Dunning, and more? I guarantee every single one of these great horseman train all of their horses to direct rein (it is not the same as English reining). It the fundamentals of horse training and it is crucial to train a horse to neck rein flawlessly. Direct reining WAS around 40 years ago. Just beause you didn't know about it then, doesn't mean it didn't exist. And you are basically saying what you learned 40 years ago riding one-handed is the God-given only truth.

Neck reining is not "out of style" but for 95% of things you want to train your horse to do and/or ask them to do something correctly, you need to show them how to do it with a direct rein first. Neck reining is a more advanced move for finished riding when the horse already understand the manuevars asked of them.

That's perfectly fine if you just want to go on trail rides and never ask your horse to do anything but walk in a straight line. I always enjoy a good relaxing trail ride too. But don't you dare criticize those who wish to train their horses to do things and do them well, just because you don't understand it, don't want to try to understand it, and frankly may just be lazy (because age ain't got nothing to do with it ... ask my grandmother).

As always MacabreMikolaj, you hit the nail on the head!

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