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    04-04-2010, 07:26 PM
Question Topgun Whiz and Knox About Boot

Hi, I really want to get into reining and I found a registered finished reining QH online for $8,500. That's out of my price range but they're willing to negoitiate on price. Anyway, he's out of Topgun Whiz and Knox About Boot.....anyone know anything about these particular horses in respect to the reining world?
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    04-04-2010, 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by equiniphile    
Hi, I really want to get into reining and I found a registered finished reining QH online for $8,500. That's out of my price range but they're willing to negoitiate on price. Anyway, he's out of Topgun Whiz and Knox About Boot.....anyone know anything about these particular horses in respect to the reining world?


Topgun Whiz is sired by Topsail Whiz, a really big horse in the NRHA. He's a six million dollar earner and a 2003 inductee into the NRHA hall of fame. Really gorgeous horse, and his sire is Topsail Cody.....also an inductee in the Hall of fame (1996) and a million dollar earner. Amazing bloodlines, two generations of Hall of Fame horses. My trainer has a son of Topsail Whiz and **** that horse is amazing. He's sweet and gentle and freakishly willing for being a stallion. Marvelous bloodlines on him :)

I don't know as much about Knox About Boot, but she has Hollywood Jac on her Sire's side. Hollywood Jac sired Hollywood Dun It, and both are million dollar earners and hall-of-fame horses. And on her Dam's side she has Peppy San, and whenever you hear Peppy and San in the same name it has to be good. I could tell you all about Peppy San Badger, but I'm not sure how they're related exactly so I won't. But I do know that the Peppy San Badger horses have a tendency to be a bit on the hotter side.

In fact, they both have Hollywood Jac I believe. Doc Bar, too.

I don't think you can go wrong with this horse. If you do end up buying him, I will be begging you to post pics and video. I'm really interested in seeing how this turns out! Any horse with that kind of bloodline is going to be great
    04-04-2010, 08:38 PM
I'm really excited for them to get back to me on my offer. He's an NRHA money earner, a real pretty dun, 7 yrs old, friendly disposition, they're located in my same state, 15hh, and he's gorgeous! They don't show any confo shots but there's a few pics from senior pics and sliding stops:

    04-04-2010, 09:42 PM
That is a nice pedigree. However I have one thing. VET CHECK VET CHECK VET CHECK VET CHECK. Do not pay $1 with out one. The Topsail Whiz line is known for foot problems.
    04-05-2010, 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
That is a nice pedigree. However I have one thing. VET CHECK VET CHECK VET CHECK VET CHECK. Do not pay $1 with out one. The Topsail Whiz line is known for foot problems.

Oh, yes! I completely forgot about that.

But from what I can see of that picture, he has a nice stop :)
    04-06-2010, 08:20 PM
OKAY, so I gave him an offer of $1000 and they didn't email me back for a few days so I got worried.....when my mom, who's vacationing with her best friend and her boyfriend in Florida, called me to tell me they got a call from someone about a $1000 horse. Not knowing I had sent the message to them, she called me to ask about it. I told her of his amazing bloodlines (which I have memorized up to the 3rd and how he placed in the top ten at Congress in both 2006 and 2008, and how if they said my offer would work (they seemed in a hurry to sell the horse so they can move closer to their daughter, who's the rider of the horse and who's going off to college and doesn't want to do the horse thing anymore so they're willing to negotiate in price.....a lot...) this was an *amazing* deal. She called back and they told her that $1000 was a little low but they didn't seem to stress that point too much, more of a "yea-thats-good-im-just-seeing-if-youll-go-a-little-higher" thing, I think. My mom will be coming home from Florida on friday and is taking me to ride the horse next friday.

First of all, I have to buy the horse. Which means my little 13-year old self has to get out and find a job. Not easy if you're under 16. I made up posters for tack cleaning, I'm going to see if I can maybe learn to braid manes for shows, I'm going to give up birthday and Christmas money for 4 years or so (sounds hard for a kid but I will stick to if it means a reining horse of this good a pedigree) which will give me about $2000 or so hopefully.

The second thing of (much smaller but still significant) concern is my reining background. Not too good-looking. I've never ridden a reining horse, and they know that and said this horse would be perfect for a beginning reiner, but to get the most out of my first ride on him, I'll need some info on reining horse cues. Like how to sit for a sliding stop, what cues to give for a sliding stop, how to do a roll-back (I probably won't attempt this next friday, but who knows), how to ask for a spin, how to differentiate in cues between a full stop and a gait change, etcetera. I know reining horses don't trot in the ring, but I will need to just trot sometimes for muscle building and such. Also, I've seen a lot of reining competetitors snapping while they ride.....what does the snapping symbolize and do you think this horse will be trained to snapping?

Here's what the description said on his ad. Pick it apart if you will please:) :

Must sell this Two Time Top Ten Congress Finalist! Our daughter is a freshman in college and has made the decision that she can longer show. Her life is taking her on a new journey and we must find a new home for this amazing horse. This gelding is out of TOPGUN WHIZ and KNOX ABOUT BOOT, bred and trained by Brandy and Terry Murphy, of MURPHY PERFORMANCE HORSES. Murphy Performance Horses - Home He has been with them from the beginning. He is a 7yr old red dun, has a solid foundation, and a very friendly disposition. NRHA money earner and would be great for a beginner of any age. Solid in the pen, still loves to go show. Plus's his stops and turn-a-rounds, has great lead changes and we hate to sell him, but College comes first. PRICED TO SELL!
Also, my uncle and aunt have a reining ranch in Colorado where they raise half-arabians. I'm hoping he'll be able to help me improve my reining form. Here's his website:

Thanks, guys! I'm praying this works out
    04-08-2010, 07:42 PM
Sorry for the really long post, but I want to get the most out of this ride so I can see if he'll be a good match for me
    04-09-2010, 09:29 AM
Spin - Just like a haunch turn. Nudge with the outside leg and neck rein to help, if he doesn't go off of just leg.

Stop - You should sit back and slide with the stop. Relax into your seat and keep a loose rein.

Rollback - Odd move for me. Jester responds to a vocal rollback command, Annie responds to leg pressure, and Rebel I have to use rein and only rein to pull him around.

Lead Changes - If you're n the rights lead, you will slide your left leg back to push the hip out and move your hand to neck rein his front.

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    04-09-2010, 08:43 PM
Thanks . The only other thing is, I was watching reining vids on YouTube and saw that a lot of riders were continuously nudging their horse with their spurs, like every second. Why do they do this?
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    04-09-2010, 09:06 PM
You offered them $1,000 for a $8,500 horse? You have got to be crazy? If someone offered something that low for a horse of that quality when I was selling it I sure as hell wouldn't even reply.

I don't know how bad the economy is in America but I would be blown away if it was that bad that they would sell you that horse for 1k.

Just.. wow.

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