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    12-10-2009, 06:42 PM
  #1
Green Broke
Talking Ugh, "started in barrels"

When I got Tomahawk, they said he was "started in barrels"... I don't know what they meant it to mean...

The horse is barely broke, doesn't respond to leg or seat aids yet, doesn't know what a counter arc, half halt or side pass is! Of course I am retraining him, or should I say beginning his training anyway.

I just do not see where they could possibly think he is anywhere near ready or close to "started" in barrels?

But then I got to thinking, maybe they were the type who think a barrel horse just runs around a barrel, period, and maybe just began to walk him around some barrels and called that started. So I take him near a barrel and what does he do, act like it is going to eat him!

I honestly want to know exactly what they "started" because it was not anywhere near barrel training, or really any basic training at all besides walk forward, stop...

So what does "started in barrels" mean to you guys? Like exactly at what point would you consider your horse "started" in barrels? In my opinion from the moment you first start working with a horse, if you intend to use him as a barrel horse, he is started in them...

*sorry for the rant*
     
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    12-10-2009, 06:47 PM
  #2
Weanling
To me... started in barrels could be just about anything. The horse that I used to run had been "started" on barrels as well. He couldnt even lope a circle. He didnt know how to pick up and mantain a lead. They soured him to the arena all together. So, with him, he had to be started from scratch.

With most horses I've been on, I've restarted them just because I like my horses to have a specific feel to them. I like to feel like I'm in a helicoptor cockpit...lots of buttons. But I've always been the kind to rather train my own than to have somone else do all the work.
     
    12-10-2009, 07:50 PM
  #3
Weanling
Sounds like they just wanted to sell him, thought he was hot, and that a barrel racer would like him. Happens all the time here. Just a bunch of jerk sellers. Did you make them ride him before you bought him?
To me, started in any discipline means that they have the basics down solid - leg & seat cues, and that they could be taken to a local show to compete in whatever it is they're started in. Having walked them around the barrels is not started to me. For my liking, they need to be able to at least canter around the barrels and not go out a length or more from them. By my definition, you just have a green horse.
     
    12-10-2009, 08:14 PM
  #4
Trained
I would steer clear of any horse that was claimed to be "started in barrels". I have seen horses that were considered by thier owners to be finished barrel horses that I wouldn't ride across the street. I would expect the same from a started barrel horse as I would a started reining horse. Somebody had a horse they could barely ride and couldn't stop and they wanted to get rid of it. The horse is darn lucky someone bought him that knows what a horse is supposed to be.
     
    12-10-2009, 08:29 PM
  #5
Weanling
You said it, Kevin.
     
    12-10-2009, 08:29 PM
  #6
Green Broke
He was given to me, Grandpa(knows zero about horses) bought him for $400...

I just contacted the previous owners when he asked me if I wanted him...

I wouldn't spend money on a horse someone claims has been started in barrels, usually you get the backyard trainers who know squat... like the people who had Tom, but alas, I see the potential so I am undertaking training once again...And yup Kevin my thoughts exactly.
     
    12-10-2009, 09:49 PM
  #7
Started
Started in barrels can me so many things from A to Z. Some are just starting to run the pattern, others have just walked around the pattern once. But in your case, it sounds like they just wanted to sell him.
     
    12-19-2009, 07:34 PM
  #8
Trained
You'dbe amazed how many barrel horses have no leg aids and don't respond to seats. You can get away with that in most gaming events, and a lot of people do. Barrels doesn't require as much training as most of the other sports.....but mind you, it sure helps if your horse knows these things.
     
    12-20-2009, 07:58 AM
  #9
Weanling
Just adding to what Sorrelhorse said... While I agree on a certain level, I just wanted to solidify something for the barrel enthusiasts on this board.

Although you can "barrel race" without the proper training on a horse, you can also do every other dicipline. My point is, if you want to be a successful COMPETITOR, then having a properly trained horse is a must. The truth is that good barrel horses have just as much training put into them as any reiner, pleasure horse, or jumper. Hours and hours of hard work is put into every barrel. In fact, I would venture to say that good barrel horses are better trained than most any other dicipline of horses. They MUST do everything that a reiner/WP horse/jumper/etc is doing, but within a matter of milliseconds.

Barrel racing is just one of those diciplines that can get away with bad riding or training because of, 1-it isnt judged, and 2- I believe the 4D format has a lot to do with it.

If you go to a 1D, your not going to see the same people as in a 4D.

Just pointing something out.
     
    12-20-2009, 08:04 PM
  #10
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckOff41570    
Just adding to what Sorrelhorse said... While I agree on a certain level, I just wanted to solidify something for the barrel enthusiasts on this board.

Although you can "barrel race" without the proper training on a horse, you can also do every other dicipline. My point is, if you want to be a successful COMPETITOR, then having a properly trained horse is a must. The truth is that good barrel horses have just as much training put into them as any reiner, pleasure horse, or jumper. Hours and hours of hard work is put into every barrel. In fact, I would venture to say that good barrel horses are better trained than most any other dicipline of horses. They MUST do everything that a reiner/WP horse/jumper/etc is doing, but within a matter of milliseconds.

Barrel racing is just one of those diciplines that can get away with bad riding or training because of, 1-it isnt judged, and 2- I believe the 4D format has a lot to do with it.

If you go to a 1D, your not going to see the same people as in a 4D.

Just pointing something out.
Thank you for posting that, I had a little temper snap when I read that barrel horses require less training than any other discipline, so I did not reply...

That really bothers me to no end when people think you can take a horse get it to gallop and turn and set it on a pattern and you have a barrel horse.( ans consequently that is why you see so many broken down and crazy ex gaming horses being sold for 50 dollars at auction because they are no longer ride able)
That is true if you have no idea what they are doing, but a horse has to be very well trained (more than most disciplines) in order for it to be able to perform at such a high intensity and not suffer joint and muscle as well as emotional and mental problems.

It has to know how to arc, counter arc, move each part of its body from the slightest cue and in a moments notice, collect and elongate, rate, turn on its haunches and its forehand, half halt, lift and bend its spine and ribcage, lift its front end, and much more. It takes a very long time to get a genuinely good barrel horse that has staying power and the mindset to compete successfully.

Whew, wrote yet another novel...
     

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