We talked about rear cinches, now breast collars

The distance between the mouthpiece and the end of the ring is different on the top and bottom resulting in a difference in leverage and where the bit goes when you pull on the reins.

There is also the balance of the bit. Your curb chain is on the correct rings but since the bit is upside down, it is useless.

You also stated that this is the only thing that he did wrong - but if you didn't know how to fit a bit, how would you know what else is incorrect in how he is training you?

I agree with Kevin in that it's time to at least check out other trainers. Apparently you are paying money for terrible results. You have a very forgiving horse - another horse may try to kill you if you used that bit the way it is - mine probably would (LOL)

I know quite a bit about horses. I watch John Lyons videos and thats what this man trains by. I have seen my trainer do amazing work in the round pen, and he saddles properly. I need a trainer more as moral support. I have learned a lot from him, and he has learned some from me.

I do have a very good horse. The poor guy! Well, at least I won't make this mistake again! I purchased a book online about fitting bits for myself, and what kinds of bits to use for different disciplines and different levels of the horse's training. I want to gain knowledge like that so I don't have to depend on other people's words so I know the answer myself.

I always ride with a breast collar also, unless bareback of course. I'm thinking about not riding with one unless on the trails tho from now on.

i always use one just because i like the way it looks on my horse were with some horses i looks funny on my horse looks good with it. I would recommend a three-point hook for anyone looking, even though i like the look of the tripping/tripper breastcollars they can only be used in roping and cutting and in some W.S.C.A events and most small town rodeos you can use them for everything. The tripping ones can be dangerous hencs the name tripping they can easly tripper your horse when running or making a sharp turn for a cow. I know someone that they had a tripper on and the horse got caught up in it and ended up falling to the ground snaping its neck and breaking a leg, that was in barrels but they dont usualy do that.

I have never heard this term. What style is this? Pic please..

Pulling Collar:

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Tripping collar:

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Is this a tripper?

Huh, that's odd. I have never seen a breast collar like that. It looks to be similar to a decorative tripping collar. Personally, I would try to find a way to attach it to the cinch between her front legs. If there isn't a way to do that, you just need to make sure that it never gets tight across her throat right there cause it could easily choke her.

I think that breast collar is strictly for show. Personally, I would never use it while trail riding.