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    11-20-2010, 09:15 PM
  #1
Foal
western bit question

I'm much less familiar with western tack and equipment so I have a question for others. I am looking at a horse to purchase that has belonged to a rodeo rider. The horse is currently being ridden in a combo bit. The owner has never ridden the horse in anything else. When I got a look at that contraption I was baffled. It looks like it would be a rather harsh piece of equipment. Now, the horse was responsive and soft mouthed. But I want to ride in a plain egg butt snaffle bit. Any thoughts on what I can expect when transitioning from a combo to a snaffle?
     
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    11-20-2010, 09:23 PM
  #2
Trained
A horse can almost always transition back down to a snaffle. Sometimes it's easier than others and this just depends mostly on how the horse has been ridden.
     
    11-20-2010, 09:32 PM
  #3
Foal
Here's what the bit looked like. I can't understand why someone would choose this as their every day riding bit. It looks like it would be used on a horse with weak brakes. Like I said, he was very light and responsive, but I can't help but wonder what he's going to do when he feels the massive differeince between this and a basic snaffle. I'm wondering if there's a bit I should use inbetween this one and the snaffle just to do this the safest, most reasonable way. Any thoughts? I am so clueless when it comes to bits...I've always been a snaffle kinda girl. Appreciate the advice!


     
    11-20-2010, 10:25 PM
  #4
Showing
Do you have a round pen or an arena to ride him in the first few times? There will likely be a significant difference in how the horse responds to a regular snaffle as opposed to that.......thing. As bad as I hate to say it, most people don't put their horses in something like that when they know how to keep them soft. That being said, it can be done but it will likely take a bit of re-training for him. I would stick to a secure area until you know exactly how he is going to respond to your snaffle.
     
    11-21-2010, 09:20 AM
  #5
Weanling
That bit, as complicated as it seems to appear is actually not all that harsh. It's about 80% nose pressure and 20% mouth pressure. Since it has no shanks there's minimal curb pressure, depending on how tight the curb is. The gag in it allows barely any bit pressure. It's only a bump or so up from a normal snaffle. If you really want to take him to a normal snaffle, it all depends on the horse and how well he goes off of other aids. He might not like having full mouth pressure either.
     
    11-21-2010, 12:01 PM
  #6
Foal
BarrelRacer, you seem to know something about this bit in particular. If I understand you, this bit is mostly acting as a hackamore, so I can expect the horse to react to a big increase in mouth pressure from a snaffle or other bit. He probably won't care much for a snaffle bit or a shank bit at first. Do you have any advice as to how to proceed to transition him? Or what you'd use? I'm in no hurry, and I'm not opposed to using this bit for trail riding if this is what he prefers. But for ring stuff, going to have to use something different.

As far as the horse goes, very responsive and sensitive to aids. I barely had to use any pressure to stop. But I wasn't sure if that was because this is a harsh bit or if he's just got a good "whoa." From what you're telling me this isn't all that harsh.

Advice?
     
    11-21-2010, 03:49 PM
  #7
Super Moderator
Where does the rein attach on that bit? How does that create any leverage for nose pressure? I am not certain how it works, tho I know that it isn't aas harsh as it might appear.
Look at Mikmar bits, they have similar stuff and might have something that's partway between the currant bit and your desired snaffle. Just a thought.
     
    11-21-2010, 05:01 PM
  #8
Trained
The reins would attach to the circles below the mouthpiece. The small ones.

My biggest problem is the twisted wire mouth on here. Also not a fan of rawhide nosebands. I agree that it isn't the worst I've ever seen and it is possible that the former rider was using this bit correctly (IE not using it for an emergency break or letting it take the place of training)

But because this is rarely the case, I like smrobs idea of a roundpen or something similar.
     
    11-21-2010, 09:53 PM
  #9
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Cobalt    
BarrelRacer, you seem to know something about this bit in particular. If I understand you, this bit is mostly acting as a hackamore, so I can expect the horse to react to a big increase in mouth pressure from a snaffle or other bit. He probably won't care much for a snaffle bit or a shank bit at first. Do you have any advice as to how to proceed to transition him? Or what you'd use? I'm in no hurry, and I'm not opposed to using this bit for trail riding if this is what he prefers. But for ring stuff, going to have to use something different.

As far as the horse goes, very responsive and sensitive to aids. I barely had to use any pressure to stop. But I wasn't sure if that was because this is a harsh bit or if he's just got a good "whoa." From what you're telling me this isn't all that harsh.

Advice?
I own that bit. What do you plan on doing with him to where he needs a different bit? It's similar to a hackamore but it doesn't have shanks. It's just a snaffle with a noseband and a curb chain. Mainly I'd stick with any type of gag bit, just because gags have that little extra time for the horse to react before becoming engaged. Like a Jr. Cow Horse Bit, or if you need a curb bit for showing make sure it's reining bit, they have seperate sides and arn't acting as one. Just don't get a tom thumb. As for going to a snaffle, if he's that well with aids in this bit i'm sure he'll be fine with a plain snaffle. This bit is a bit most horses outgrown and can easily run through, it's not the strongest bit in the world. I showed an old gelding of mine in a snaffle in western plessure an did jumping with him, his regular bit was this, I had control of him just fine. Also you can get this bit with any mouth piece including smooth, and any gag bit like this needs bit gaurds as to not pinch the horses mouth.
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    11-21-2010, 10:18 PM
  #10
Foal
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer86    
I own that bit. What do you plan on doing with him to where he needs a different bit?
Hope to ride some dressage tests in the future. He's going to be making some huge transitions from western/rodeo to English/dressage so I know I need to go slow. I'm not familiar with gag bits at all. I ride in eggbutt or D ring snaffles pretty much exclusively. I had someone recommend a Clinton Anderson shanked snaffle (basically a Tom Thumb), but from the sounds of it, that's probably not the best idea. I've not used that type of bit either...and I feel like I need to stick to my comfort zone.

Thanks so much for your help. I guess my biggest fear is that this bit was a harsh bit and that I'd find out that I had zero control in a snaffle.
     

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