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post #21 of 36 Old 01-22-2011, 12:51 PM
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honestly a tom thumb is alot less harsh than that bit, the twisted wire is ridged and will rub the tongue and mouth rough, along with the rawhide noseband (which is also rough...) with a tom thumb and a curb chain all you have to have is really light hands and it is alot less harsh than this one. But that's just my opinion and everyone had different opinions. I myself prefer curbs. But I also know how to use them. I say use your snaffle. And throw that thing in the garbage.
Are you really suggesting a Tom Thumb?

That is THE most unbalanced piece of trash bit out there. While Im not a fan of combos, I would gladly use one before a nutcracker TT.
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ANY bit used correctly is a good bit. Even the one posted. But my opinion is i'd use the tom thumb BEFORE the combo bit. Not that i'd suggest it over all bits. I just said it was less harsh than the original. My I say go for a Snaffle. Or even better a French Link! Especially since the OP is switching to english anyway.


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ANY bit used correctly is a good bit. Even the one posted. But my opinion is i'd use the tom thumb BEFORE the combo bit. Not that i'd suggest it over all bits. I just said it was less harsh than the original. My I say go for a Snaffle. Or even better a French Link! Especially since the OP is switching to english anyway.
We're not discussing humanity, we're discussing bits, and no...not all bits are created equal.

The TT is extremely unbalanced, and when pressure is applied, creates a nutcracker like action in the mouth. Its really a law of physics FAIL.

It doesnt matter HOW soft your hands are, its poorly engineered. Its more usefull as a barn decoration.
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We're not discussing humanity, we're discussing bits, and no...not all bits are created equal.

The TT is extremely unbalanced, and when pressure is applied, creates a nutcracker like action in the mouth. Its really a law of physics FAIL.

It doesnt matter HOW soft your hands are, its poorly engineered. Its more usefull as a barn decoration.
There are probably more horses ridden in the tom thumb than any other western bit. I don't prefer them myself but they are not cruel or useless. Many nice, well broke horses are ridden in Tom Thumbs of one kind or the other. Educate yourself.

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There are probably more horses ridden in the tom thumb than any other western bit. I don't prefer them myself but they are not cruel or useless. Many nice, well broke horses are ridden in Tom Thumbs of one kind or the other. Educate yourself.
Since Im not educated enough for you, research the topic yourself.

Youll find various facts and opinions to back my statement.
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various facts and opinions back up either side. That's the way everything is. It's personal opinion.


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FACT: Tom Thumbs deliver a nut cracker like action when pressure is engaged, causing bruising to the palet.

Lets look at the mechanics of a true Tob Thumb.



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I had a good laugh from reading this thread lol

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There's a lot of misinformation in this thread.

Bouchers do NOT supply poll pressure. All they do is stabilize the bit.

Tom Thumbs ARE terrible bits, no matter what sort of rider you are. At worst, they're inhumane; at best, they're ineffective and confusing. That's not a matter of opinion--it's the simple mechanics of the bit.

OP, I'd try a snaffle and see what happens. If it doesn't work at first, I'd go for an elevator bit of sorts, and ride it on the shortest ring to start. That'll be closer to what the horse is used to. Try it with and withouth a curb chain. Or look at low-port Myler Pelhams. Those are amazing bits for any horse.

Here's a reference guide to "bitology": An Overview of Bits and Bitting - Horse Forums (HGS)
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There's a lot of misinformation in this thread.

Bouchers do NOT supply poll pressure. All they do is stabilize the bit.

Tom Thumbs ARE terrible bits, no matter what sort of rider you are. At worst, they're inhumane; at best, they're ineffective and confusing. That's not a matter of opinion--it's the simple mechanics of the bit.

OP, I'd try a snaffle and see what happens. If it doesn't work at first, I'd go for an elevator bit of sorts, and ride it on the shortest ring to start. That'll be closer to what the horse is used to. Try it with and withouth a curb chain. Or look at low-port Myler Pelhams. Those are amazing bits for any horse.

Here's a reference guide to "bitology": An Overview of Bits and Bitting - Horse Forums (HGS)
Exactly, thankyou.

I wanted to post that link, but wasnt sure if it was allowed.
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