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post #31 of 36 Old 01-22-2011, 08:38 PM
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You realize that the entire purpose of a bit is to create an unpleasant sensation in a horses mouth encouraging them to yield to pressure. EVERY bit has the potential to damage the horses mouth. I have personally seen in person real live horses not on the internet that have been ridden for many years in a TT without it destroying thier mouths and ruining thier very lives. If you don't like it then don't use it ( I don't) but it is not inhumane or cruel. Every broken mouthed curb has the same action as the TT.

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You realize that the entire purpose of a bit is to create an unpleasant sensation in a horses mouth encouraging them to yield to pressure. EVERY bit has the potential to damage the horses mouth. I have personally seen in person real live horses not on the internet that have been ridden for many years in a TT without it destroying thier mouths and ruining thier very lives. If you don't like it then don't use it ( I don't) but it is not inhumane or cruel. Every broken mouthed curb has the same action as the TT.
Your right, all my experience is from the internet.

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You realize that the entire purpose of a bit is to create an unpleasant sensation in a horses mouth encouraging them to yield to pressure.
True to an extent, but only to an extent. Yes, horses have to be taught pressure and release, and the initial introduction to and training in a bit will be different and unpleasant. But in the well-schooled horse, there is no longer a need to pull hard and squash the tongue and so on. A slight flick of the reins and jingle of the shank should accomplish all that is needed.

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EVERY bit has the potential to damage the horses mouth.
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I have personally seen in person real live horses not on the internet that have been ridden for many years in a TT without it destroying thier mouths and ruining thier very lives.
I don't doubt it. A TT is highly unlikely to break a horse's jaw, as some people claim. But the point is not so much that it is cruel as much as it is ineffective. Nothing about the bit mechanics are balanced right. The cues are inconsistent and very confusing to the horse. A well-trained, patient, saint of a horse will probably ride just fine in a TT, despite the crap going on in his mouth and the discomfort from the twisting mouthpiece. A horse who is initially broke to ride in a TT, however, will likely toss his head or gape his mouth.

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If you don't like it then don't use it ( I don't) but it is not inhumane or cruel.
See above, and I won't use one.

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Every broken mouthed curb has the same action as the TT.
That is not true. See the link I supplied earlier. There is a segment comparing Tom Thumbs to Argentine snaffles--they absolutely do not work in the same way or have the same effect.
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post #34 of 36 Old 01-23-2011, 12:53 AM
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the bit i use is a cousin of the tom thumb. and my horses mouth isn't bruised nor is she hurt. and we rode one of our saddle breds in a tom thumb and he did excellent in it and (= O) no bruises. if your hands are light (very little contact except for when needed) then it causes no harm. unless you are jerking and pulling.
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^ That bit is nothing like a TT.

It has a very slight gag action, the shanks are not straight and it has a 3 piece mouth piece. That's actually a nice little bit.

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Yeah, that bit is an Argentine snaffle with a dogbone mouthpiece. Doesn't matter what the manufacturer called it. Yours is a good bit--well fitted and balanced, with clear cues for the horse.
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