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post #21 of 55 Old 10-05-2009, 11:39 PM
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No, one of the main problems here is that people also pull on the bit while they neck rein because their horse's are not properly trained or the people don't know how to ride. When you do that, then yes, the signals can get confusing because you are cueing for a left turn with the right rein but also pulling on the right side of the bit and cueing for a right turn. Very confusing, especially to a young horse. So long as the reins are left loose, neck reining in a snaffle is a snap.
Exactly! You can do the same thing in a curb bit if you're not careful too. But in general I think you're supposed to ride a snaffle with two hands b/c you're working with direct pressure as opposed to leverage like in the curb.

Theoretically, the curb bit is used on a "broke" horse that neck reins etc. That's why you can only ride the 5 and under horses in snaffles (at least in the western quarter horse world). Ideally your horse should be completely responsive to the snaffle before you move up to a curb. If you just move up to a harsher bit without addressing the fundamental issues you'll just end up with a hard mouthed horse.

It sounds like your horse could go in either a snaffle or a curb. So it's really up to you. But I would definitely go with a bit that's a little thicker and has shorter shanks if you decide to go with a curb bit.
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No, one of the main problems here is that people also pull on the bit while they neck rein because their horse's are not properly trained or the people don't know how to ride. When you do that, then yes, the signals can get confusing because you are cueing for a left turn with the right rein but also pulling on the right side of the bit and cueing for a right turn. Very confusing, especially to a young horse. So long as the reins are left loose, neck reining in a snaffle is a snap.
Wouldn't that be just as confusing in a curb? Only more so as the signal would be magnified due to the leverage?

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No, I don't think so. With the curbs that I use (solid mouth), even if I do have my reins too short, it picks up on the lower part of the shank and tips the bit in the mouth, essentially pushing his head in the same direction as I am reining them. Turn right = left rein, picks up shank and pushes bit into left side of face = turn right. At least that's how I think it works.

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That seems really backwards to me! However i've never ridden in a curb (something I would like to try though) so don't really have any experience of the actual action of the shank/mouthpiece...

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If you can use a snaffle then by all means use a snaffle!

I'd give anything to ride Sunny in a snaffle :/

That bit you have shown is made to be ridden with 4 reins. So it is like a tad harsher version of pelham, only western style. At least IMO.

Snaffles aren't made to be neckreined, so it'd be best to stick with direct reining *if you can* but it isn't a sin to neckrein one, lol.
You are absolutely wrong about this bit. No western bit is made to be used with 4 reins. I can't tell you what the loops by the mouthpeice are for other than the style of the bit but I have never in 30 years seen anyone use four reins when riding western. That bit is a very good bit though. I have several and they work well.

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Also wanted to add, I don't know anyone in Australia who thinks this. It seems to be a big misconception in the US that you can only neckrein in a curb bit.
There are a lot of people in th US that would agree with you (I am one). I see no problem neckreining a horse in a snaffle.

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I know you *can* neckrein in one, but I've always been told they aren't meant for it and give wrong signals.
Guess you were told wrong!!!!

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I understand that the rings on the side of the bit are designed to be used when transitioning a young horse from a simple snaffle into that kind of bit/mouthpiece before introducing the curb pressure. Put your reins in those loops, then as they get comfortable with the feel of the bit, then you can use 4 reins if you wish just to ease the transition and gently introduce curb pressure. Just like the old vaqueros used to make a bridle horse, they would use the spade in conjunction with the hackamore and 4 reins to complete the transition.

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smrobs is right with her last post....but that bit is also designed to be ridden after a transition with a curb strap, and one set of reins.... I fixed up a pic lol

As for neck reining in a snaffle yes it can be done with absolutely no problem....its not the bit its how your ride lol though the event your in can affect this also....
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You are absolutely wrong about this bit. No western bit is made to be used with 4 reins. I can't tell you what the loops by the mouthpeice are for other than the style of the bit but I have never in 30 years seen anyone use four reins when riding western. That bit is a very good bit though. I have several and they work well.

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