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post #11 of 69 Old 01-04-2012, 09:59 PM
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The only difference between the above bit from a Tom Thumb is that the curved shanks give the horse a bit of "precue" before the leverage comes into play. The middle looks a bit softer, too, so maybe that's enough of a difference to make a difference.
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is this the Bob Avila you meant?
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does that mean they can eat grass with it?
Well i guess so..but they can with any bit. Its just you reg curb bit.
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cowchick i looked at the photos on google, and they aren't heavy on their mouth or anything...it is gentle right?
I would considerate that bit the next step in the progression of bits. It is gentle in my opinion. The bit is only as gentle as the hands using it.

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is this the Bob Avila you meant?
It is, I have a bit made by Cactus that has a shorter shank on it. It is perfect for introducing colts to a shanked bit with a port.

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The problem with a snaffle mouthpiece in a shanked bit is that it is two bitting theories fighting against each other. The snaffle mouthpiece works like scissors pinching the jaws when pulled straight back like you would in a shanked bit. With a ported shanked bit, it applied pressure to the roof of the mouth with the port(dependent on size and shape of port) and tightens the headstall over the poll...hence the importance of teaching a horse to give to pressure on the poll.

When you try to combine the two all you get is a really confused horse. I have a bit that has a snaffle mouth but with a large dog bone in the center, this seems to have a similar feel to a ported mouth because of the breaks in the mouth but not so much tongue relief. I still takes a certain horse that likes this bit and I have yet to find the common denominator, other than maybe being more tolerant. lol.

So I have skipped that bit and went to that short shanked square port with much better results.
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I've never used one with a square port like that but I do have one of these and I really like it. Super short shanks so it's very mild with a bit of tongue relief.

AT Low Port Loose Cheek Low Port Western Bit 5in - Horse.com


I also have several bits similar to this one, just with slightly different shaped mouths. I've found some horses do prefer a solid mouth with no joints at all.
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Oh Yeah and Cow Chick! My friend who came over said it also might be the shank that would be pinching him when i pull back, should i change from a chain one to a non chain one?
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Ooops sorry i meant curb chain, lol :P
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And can you send a picture of a square hinged port bit, so i know what i'm looking for, because on Google i'm not sure which one your talk about?
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