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  • Using cones and markers horsemanship exercises
  • Horse drasage patterns with cones

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    02-14-2012, 05:42 PM
  #11
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Ink    
I disagree with that. In the sense that the horse has to perform a prescribed series of movements with subtle cues from the rider with each movement being scored individually, I'd say that's pretty close to a dressage test in theory. Sure the reining horse isn't performing at all three gaits, but they still have to do specialized maneuvers (i.e. Spins, lead changes, roll backs). Plus reining does have collection and extention with the big fast small slow canter circles, and uses cones as markers as well.

Not to mention both reining and dressage have freestyle classes where you can make up your own pattern set to music (don't see too much of that with horsemanship ). I'm not trying to down play horsemanship. Like you said it is similar to dressage in its own ways too. But to say reining isn't like dressage at all just isn't fair. In terms of length of the patter and making use of the entire arena, I'd even argue that it's more similar than horsemanship in many ways.
Yea, but the difference IS...dressage pays alot of attention to the trot....there is no trot in reining. Reining is all about the 3rd gait, whereas both Horsemanship and Dressage utilizes all 3 gaits.

SO in that aspect, I disagree wholeheartedly....but that's cool.
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    02-14-2012, 06:22 PM
  #12
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
Horsemanship consists of a pattern with markers and/or cones (like dressage letters) and certain manuevers are to be performed PRECISELY at those markers, extension at all gaits are required if the pattern calls for it, straight lines, circles, across the diagonals, halts, turns, reinbacks etc. The judge is looking for preciseness, accuracy of he pattern, definition in changes of stride extensions, no overt cueing from the rider and seamless flow through the pattern.
Learned something new today.

One question, does horsemanship have levels of increasing difficulty?
     
    02-14-2012, 06:23 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by Stillstandin    
To me dressage is training and something that I enjoy doing with my so called western horses. I like what it teaches them. I like the strength it develops in both my horses and myself.
So, so many miss this essential point.
     
    02-14-2012, 06:33 PM
  #14
Trained
Hmmm. If you can't train strength in a western horse without teaching it dressage, you are doing something wrong. Dressage has a somewhat different philosophy than normally used in western riding, and a very different end goal.

That is why I prefer to keep them separate. It makes about as much sense to me as adding roping or cutting to a dressage test, and calling that 'western dressage'. Heck, I'd prefer it that way...

But if folks have fun & spend time riding, let 'em at it.
     
    02-14-2012, 06:50 PM
  #15
Foal
I am not saying you can't train a western horse for strength without using dressage. I am just saying what I like to do with my horses because of my background in both english and western. To me the end goal is a well trained, responsive, athletic, fit horse no matter what discipline you ride.
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    02-15-2012, 05:54 AM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by mildot    
Learned something new today.

One question, does horsemanship have levels of increasing difficulty?
The patterns vary between the show divisions. Like Novice Amateur and Novice youth patterns won't be as complicated as the Amateur, Amateur Select and Youth patterns. The patterns at the Congress and World Shows are usually pretty tough and detailed.
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    02-15-2012, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
The patterns vary between the show divisions. Like Novice Amateur and Novice youth patterns won't be as complicated as the Amateur, Amateur Select and Youth patterns. The patterns at the Congress and World Shows are usually pretty tough and detailed.
OK, I understand that part.

Now, what about the difficulty of the horse's movements? Does that increase as well?

For example in dressage the patterns get more complex as you move up (there are more movements to remember and perform), but also the difficulty of the movements increases.

OK, I think I found my answer.....http://gohorseshow.com/article/AQHA/...emanship/32544

All I will say is that AQHA horsemanship seems different enough from western dressage (particularly in the judging) that a rider will get some benefit from both.
     
    02-17-2012, 12:11 PM
  #18
Trained
If you want to do Dressage then do dressage and do it as it was intended. If you want to ride wester then pick a discipline that fits western. Do not mix the 2. TO me it looks like people who can not do either have made a new event that they can do. If it ever gains popularity and gets more people and other trainers doing it they will need to find something new b/c they will not be top dog any more.

Do not even get me started on the death grip they have on the horses face.
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    02-17-2012, 12:33 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
Do not even get me started on the death grip they have on the horses face.
Look, you don't have to like this new discipline. I don't care one way or the other.

But there is no way you can tell what a death grip looks like from the photos in this thread.

I have no idea what your riding background is or how long you've ridden horses with rein contact. But your statement is the kind I often see made by people who have never ridden in anything other than some shank bit with draped reins and have no idea how to ride with contact with a soft hand. All they see is a direct line from elbow to bit and freak out.

Death grip....yeah whatever.

As to why this exists....maybe some people simply want to ride a dressage test without having to buy yet another saddle. I don't know and I don't care why someone came up with this.
     
    02-17-2012, 12:34 PM
  #20
Trained
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
If you want to do Dressage then do dressage and do it as it was intended. If you want to ride wester then pick a discipline that fits western. Do not mix the 2. TO me it looks like people who can not do either have made a new event that they can do. If it ever gains popularity and gets more people and other trainers doing it they will need to find something new b/c they will not be top dog any more.

Do not even get me started on the death grip they have on the horses face.
Agreed. The horse in the pictures in this thread is not doing correct Dressage OR western. A good coach also won't care what kind of tack you are in in a Dressage lesson, as long as you are in a snaffle.
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