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post #11 of 96 Old 05-05-2013, 03:24 PM Thread Starter
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Bsms...for whatever my opinion is worth, I think Mia is beautiful. She looks like a well put together athletic mare. They all should be usable and athletic.

Hopefully the WD thing will get more riders to be better horseman. And to my way of thinking it beats a Park Class all to heck. At least now there are rules and a direction.
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I agree with bsms, I just do NOT get the western dressage thing....maybe they just needed to be more creative and come up with a different name, I don't know. Bugs the pants off of me, though....

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post #13 of 96 Old 05-05-2013, 10:01 PM
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I've said this before about western dressage.... if you really want to ride/train/show dressage... why not do it English? I mean.. theres no problem training dressage western, it doesnt matter what tack you use. But western dressage kind of butchers dressage. I see riders with heavy curb bits that are used on show horses that are always on a slack rein.. but the riders have picked up hard contact on the bit and it just doesnt seem... right.
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post #14 of 96 Old 05-05-2013, 10:12 PM
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I'm honestly not really seeing the point in western dressage, but I'm interesting in watching how it pans out. I don't really see it going very far and personally find it a bit ridiculous, but... I'm willing to just watch skeptically, haha.
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post #15 of 96 Old 05-09-2013, 08:14 AM
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One thing about WD. It gives horses with functional conformation who aren't bred to the latest fad - seahorse heads and overly high croups - a place where they can beat the pants off "pretty" horses. There are no points given for conformation, since doing dressage well REQUIRES good conformation. Horses parked out behind have a hard time collecting, and a plain head has no effect at all on performance.
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One thing about WD. It gives horses with functional conformation who aren't bred to the latest fad - seahorse heads and overly high croups - a place where they can beat the pants off "pretty" horses. There are no points given for conformation, since doing dressage well REQUIRES good conformation. Horses parked out behind have a hard time collecting, and a plain head has no effect at all on performance.
^^^ this!
Plus hopefully less overflexed and more forward....
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post #17 of 96 Old 05-09-2013, 10:28 AM
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Seahorse heads...I think it is repulsive:



Flat back:



A famous Arabian that I cannot stand:



Compare to Mia, who wouldn't win anything:

Well, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine!
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Well, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine!
Yep!

If the BOD of the AHA want to do something useful, perhaps they could do something easy - get the breeding and showing in line with some plausible standard. I'm a member of the AHA, and I get their magazine, and they worry about the future...but breeding silly looking horses isn't going to do much for the breed in America.

I view WD as about 90% silliness. Horses not specifically bred for dressage can do it fine at the lower levels, but you either need to change the goals of dressage (in which case it isn't dressage any more) or accept that horses bred for dressage will do better at the upper levels. Most any horse can jump, but those bred for it will jump better.

When the AHA magazine arrives in my mail, and the covers are of freaky looking horses that I wouldn't want to own, then it seems the BOD & the AHA are out of touch with the base of 'commoners' that they need to expand to build a future for Arabians.

WD isn't harmful, but it isn't really going to build the base that the AHA needs. It is a problem I think riding in general faces: how to get people (and men - we're 50% of the population and probably less than 10% of the riders) in their teens and twenties interested in riding horses.

"People can teach us the rules, but only horses can teach us the art of riding."
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Yep!
(and men - we're 50% of the population and probably less than 10% of the riders)
A number of years ago there was this great commercial for Henry Weinhardt beer. A few old cowboys were sitting around and one of them (John Houston) starts talking, "A hundred years from now only little girls will ride horses..." and he goes on from there.

Sometimes I think the Arabian breed got sidetracked back in the day of the absurd prices, when the Scottsdale sales were the end all-be all, and the breed was considered "works of art." I have stepped away from the show end of the breed for a number of years. Nowadays the old park horses are English pleasure, park horses are I-don't-know-what-to-say, feet are longer, pads allowed. I haven't seen a halter class lately so no comment there. My involvement back into the show end is now with the Sport Horses. It all seems so much more rational to me. I hope WD adds something. It will remain to be seen. I may never show in a class again but I will volunteer my time in support of the club I belong to.

As far as guy involvement...There seems to be a lot of support in the popular stock breed activities. Maybe it's the more substancial bodies and all the ropin', ridin' and slidin'. Beats just going around in a circle.

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Now, I am no blind fan of AHA and am often seen mumbling about show practices, but rage at the Magnum Psyche hate! My boy is out of a Padron's Psyche mare and he is not only athletic, but he is the most intelligent versatile horse I have ever ridden. Trails, gymkhana, hunter, western pleasure, dressage... he does it all. And he's **** pretty doing it. I adore his little seahorse face as much as I admire his ability to think about what I'm asking and execute it with athleticism.

Let me wander back on to topic and say... I have hope for Western Dressage in AHA! I think that executed properly, it could inject a little bit of education and proper movement into other aspects of AHA (such as Western Pleasure...). While bsms suggests that WD is mostly "silliness," IMHO I think that comes from someone who doesn't appreciate the good that basic dressage principles can do for a horse and rider. The beauty of dressage is that you aren't only competing with other riders-- you're competing against your last test score to become better, more athletic and more harmonious. This is what inspires better practices and better riding.
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