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post #11 of 102 Old 03-17-2010, 11:54 PM
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Or perhaps she doesn't, and she's being ignorant like most of the people who are bashing the same thing over and over and over and over again.

Horses never look like they're enjoying themselves in dressage either, yet no one dares to bash the cranked nose band, double bridle, tail swishing discipline.

Why was this thread even started? TO bash. That's why. Just like so many others, and honestly I'm sick of it.
LOL! Really? You've NEVER seen dressage bashing? Heard of Rollkur?

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Oh ya. You can see the "smoothness" in this lope*eye roll*

This is a real peanut-roller:

No offence to those WP riders on this forum that love what they do, but serious WP(IMHO) is all about "The Lower, The Slower".
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Western pleasure should be about having a pleasureable ride. The horses nowadays have been broke to death and they have bad methods. I mean, I'm all for having a nice, calm, well-broke horse but only if that horse is happy.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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Western pleasure should be about having a pleasureable ride. The horses nowadays have been broke to death and they have bad methods. I mean, I'm all for having a nice, calm, well-broke horse but only if that horse is happy.
Yep! Exactly!
And as a side note: At least most people think dressage looks pretty! WP doesn't, IMHO. It gives western riding a bad name. AGain, just MY opinion. You don't have to like it. :)
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Trainers train for what wins. Riders ride what wins breeders breed what wins. Judges can only judge what is put in front of them. So if you do not like what is out there then put something different in front of the judges and hope that it is what the judges want to see.

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I was told they've gotten away from the ditch diggers, that now QH's are back to level with the back and thats how we were training - level

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^^That is the movement yes, but it is not 100%, or even close for that matter. They seem to be working on it though. And I agree with SorrelHorse too, BTW. Don't whine because you don't place by doing the right thing, just be patient, respect your horse,continue to follow the rules and ask for proper movement, and hope the right thing comes back into vogue.

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Or perhaps she doesn't, and she's being ignorant like most of the people who are bashing the same thing over and over and over and over again.

Horses never look like they're enjoying themselves in dressage either, yet no one dares to bash the cranked nose band, double bridle, tail swishing discipline.

Why was this thread even started? TO bash. That's why. Just like so many others, and honestly I'm sick of it.
Possilby you need to go back and read my post. I never bashed anyone or anything. I simply was asking WHY it is that way and WHY people like it, or think it is the " proper" way a horse should go. I asked to HELP me to understand the rationale behind it. If you think we are all bashing it, please educate me on WHY it is like that, and don't give me that " because it is" line.
What makes you think I would bash western and not dressage? " yet no one dares" you don't know me that well. So please, without being nasty or rude, please help me to understand your rationale for the low western headset.
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Peetz, there really is no rationale other than people do it to win. as has been said, somewhere down the line someone with a good deal of sway probably decided that was right and others followed, thus the peanut roller epidemic began. Now even though some are trying to change things, others will defend it to the end and become rude and unwilling to even try to explain why. That is just what happens...

The same with all other odd horse shower practices like keeping a grazing animal stalled 24 hours a day and fed only a concentrated diet,, purposefully "jet lagging" a horse by keeping it under lights 24 hours a day to keep it form taking part in the natural shedding cycle, keeping them wrapped from head to tail to prevent the ANIMAL from getting dirty or blemished heaven forbid, physically altering a horses body to make it move unnaturally or to prevent it from showing discomfort, bleeding a horse out to make it more docile, using irritants and chemicals to alter how a horse moves, ect.... It is all about the ribbon.

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Like I stated in my post earlier. If that is all that is being presented to the judges then that is what they have to work with and place. SO it is what ends up winning. Then what wins it was is bred for what is trained for and what is shown. It comes down to a vicious circle.

WP is not like Dressage or Reining or cutting or reined cow horse. The judge has to place a horse first second third and so on. There is no way to judge past that if what is winning is correct or would win in other company. Where with the other disciplines I listed you can. Each horse is give a score so even if a horse wins they can easily be compared to a horse from a different show. You know who good that horse really is compared to the standard. With WP and some other events you can not.

So until some one enters a horse that is correct with good movement that is well trained nothing can change. If the horse is not there the judge can only place what is presented to him. It is that simple.

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